Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 11:42:39:

Yea he wants to let people own the businesses he plans to tax and regulate to high hell.  

Does he?  Isn't it a moot point?(he didn't win)  But I don't recall hearing him say anything like that.

You can't polish nuts and you can't put the word democratic in front of socialist and make it somehow better.  I bet you love the failing social security system and public schools as well.  

How is Social Security failing?  If there were nothing done to it, it's still solvent into the 2030's.  But to be clear, social security really isn't a purely socialist program.  
Yes, the public schools need help, but that's more an issue of local elections filling the board seats instead of the districts - and yes, common core sucks.  But there are plenty of publicly schooled kids that are doing just fine.  You have to fix the internal system, not kill it.

I don't see how you think that taking something that belongs to one person to give it to another is morally right.  

With that take on things then I guess you don't like any taxes on anything, right?  Taxes take from us and provide for others - be it our roads, cops, elderly benefits, utilities, etc.  IMHO, it's the price we pay to live in such a great country.

In her 30's elizabeth warren was listed under the minority section of a law teachers for-hire directory so she was trying to use that to her advantage to get a job

LOL - she didn't list it, her employer did.  It was NOT a for hire directory, it was a reference catalog (before the internet).  I've got a link if you'd like to read the whole story.

[quote author=3D232C2D203D263B490 link=1483993153/75#76 date=1484164543]Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 11:42:39:

[color=#0000ff]I don't see how you think that taking something that belongs to one person to give it to another is morally right.  

With that take on things then I guess you don't like any taxes on anything, right?  Taxes take from us and provide for others - be it our roads, cops, elderly benefits, utilities, etc.  IMHO, it's the price we pay to live in such a great country.

No I have no problem with roads, cops, firefighters, sanitation, utilities and the like because in that case you are paying for a service that you use.  We all benefit from those programs even the elderly benefits because presumable we will all be old eventually or we at the very least have to prepare ourselves for that eventuality even if some individuals aren't lucky enough to make it.  I have problems with forcing people to pay for things they don't use or forcible taking property from one individual to give to another who didn't earn it.  Socialism says you owe me something because I exist, I don't agree with that I say you only owe someone if they have earned it.

We've never seen capitalism. It was long before our time.
America grew and its people prospered before income taxes and the Federal Reserve. Bankers colluding to control the money supply by manipulating interest rates created the economic upheavals that set the stage for the Need for the Federal Reserve. It's STATED REASONS for Existing were to protect the people from economic crises and maintain the value of the dollar. The very Process for Creating a dollar devalues the dollar.
The Great Depression underscored the true worth of the Federal Reserve. It's a complete failure.

Capitalism is the only system that makes sense. Socialism has never worked except for one country and the name escapes me right now, but they have something, oil I think, they export enough to provide a reasonable lifestyle for their people.

We have only seen crony capitalism, and, to a degree, fascism.

Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster
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Definition of fascism for Students. : a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted.

We don't have a dictator, per se, but given the power that has slowly been accrued to the president it's daggum close.
The government has way too much influence in business and Big Business is and has been Lobbying for rules and regulations that enhance Their position and limit the upstart competition.

Consider a large chain of retail outlets, nationwide.
Let's say they start people out at $10.00/hour.
And, let's say the minimum wage, nationwide, is $8.00/hr.
It's not gonna Hurt them if the national minimum wage goes to $10.00.  It's gonna hurt their competition. So, they lobby to raise the minimum wage and they Look like champions of the working class. Well, to the people who don't understand what demanding more pay than the employer can afford they do.
Yeah, those great jobs didn't All leave just because of NAFTA. The unions that drove the car makers dang near into bankruptcy helped.
Unions are needed in places, and without them to demand safe working conditions and reasonable hours and fair pay, plenty of greedy people would be taking advantage of the workers. That's especially true when the number of unemployed is high. Labor is like any other commodity. When you can walk outside and grab a replacement for the guy who said
Screw this!I Quit.

Then a heartless employer has no reason to appreciate the people who are making his business succeed. The other side of the coin is really great for people trying to sell labor.
Do democrats actually believe that only republicans benefit from the open borders and want cheap labor?
How many unemployed people are necessary to create the situation that allows employers to discard workers like trash?

T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 13:33:07:

if the only people getting government assistance were those over 65 who worked all there life and now are retired and those that were working but are now disabled it would be a different story but as it is now the government has created a welfare state which has destroyed the american family.  Now there are an alarming number of single mothers that married to the state, and they and their children are being supported by the taxpayer.  

On sanders atleast you can admit that he wants free college for everyone.  Well the thing is nothing is free in life.  The way I see it you can either pay for your own college and when its paid off your done, or you can go to school for free and then get a job and pay for everyone else to go for the rest of your life.  That is not to say that the current system is great.  I think as it currently is financial aid is BS and should be disbanded and the only option for those who can't afford to pay upfront is student loans.  Currently some people are getting free educations and others are paying.  I took out loans to pay for my college so if you think about it if you get financial aid and I take out loans and we both go to school together, get the same degree, graduate at the same time and get the same job with the same salary you in effect make more than I do because I have to use a portion of my salary to pay back those loans and you don't.  Not to mention that my tuition is inflated because I have to subsidize your free education.  So in effect I am not only paying for my education with those loan payments I am also paying your education while you pay nothing.  The best solution is everyone takes out loans.

T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 14:20:27:

If you make bad decisions in life and then expect me to pay for those bad decisions then yes you are taking advantage of a flawed system.  If on the other hand you are just temporarily find yourself in a bad place because of circumstances out of your control (laided off, disabled, natural or manmade disaster etc...) thats a different story.  But, if you chose not to educate yourself, you choose to have children you can't afford or choose to do drugs its not my problem and I shouldn't be forced by the government to pay for it and there are millions of people who fall into those categories.  

I would like to add that I have made bad decisions in my life and I and I mean I have paid for those bad decisions I haven't passed the buck to the tax payers.  But I have also made good decisions

T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 15:02:51:

well if you don't think its that much would you support drug testing for welfare?  I mean I have to be drug tested to earn the money they take from me shouldn't they be drug tested to get it?

I don't understand what you mean by "Then you should show everyone the same respect that you yourself demand"

there are over 109million people on some form of government assistance, even if only 2% of them are in those groups that would constitute millions