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Reply #45 - 01/10/17 at 18:38:24
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:20:13:
what time period is represented by the red area?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/these-are-9-zero-hedge-charts-showin...

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Reply #46 - 01/10/17 at 19:53:20
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 08:55:02:
" I looked for "dead line" and found nothing....  Please, enlighten me as to the definition. ... love to hear your interpretation.


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Reply #47 - 01/11/17 at 01:28:33
 
Took a while,,,
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Reply #48 - 01/11/17 at 05:17:46
 
pg wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:38:24:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:20:13:
what time period is represented by the red area?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/these-are-9-zero-hedge-charts-showin...

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Oh man that is definitely what I would call hope and change LOL
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Reply #49 - 01/11/17 at 06:10:44
 
pg wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:10:30:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:43:15:
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I really want to know - What's the thing you miss most about the "old days"?


Does this answer your question?

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/05/3...

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Well put!

I thought you missed not having to be PC.  But I see your point.

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Reply #50 - 01/11/17 at 06:22:02
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:22:20:
So an actor can say what they want but he can't respond.  Also, he didn't mock a disabled reporter, if you watch Trump those hand gestures are the  way he shows someone being flustered, he has done it numerous times and for many people who aren't disabled.  You may not think its presidential, but don't misrepresent it


Seriously?  He didn't mock that man??  C'mon....  Where, in his ENTIRE campaign did he use the same tactic to show someone "flustered"?  Please, show me the link to the video of him doing that to someone else.  Oh, and not the one about the debate with rubio - because that was AFTER he mocked the reporter. (yeah, I've seen the threads...)

You know what?  Go ahead and give donny a pass on this.  

As to his tweeting - I never said he couldn't respond, is that he shouldn't respond.  It shows how much of a child he is.  But again... give him a pass...

By the time 2018 rolls around, you might all be tired of giving out passes to donny.

I sincerely hope that I'm wrong.
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Reply #51 - 01/11/17 at 06:29:43
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:53:49:
We only agree if by means testing you mean that by having a heartbeat and an IQ over 80 automatically disqualifies you from government aid, I apologize but I assumed that wasn't what you meant. Otherwise your incentivizing laziness.  Also, if by reform for inheritance tax you mean it should go to 0% then yes we do agree (you shouldn't pay tax on money that your dead relative already paid taxes on just because they left it to you.)  You also mentioned the unaffordable care act, another socialist program designed to give millions of able-bodied Americans healthcare by having others pay for it.  Lastly, I don't understand your position on social security, if someone doesn't touch it will not exist to much longer



LOL - OK, I see who you are.  Say hi to Ayn Rand for me.

I hope for your sake you never get sick or lose your job or need assistance in any form.... that would be terrible. 

Hey there all you other conservatives - look at this guy's response to me and tell me again how I'm so intolerant.

LMAO - it's like talking to a tree.
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Reply #52 - 01/11/17 at 06:32:06
 
if he is a child then so are the actors and main steam media and Obama since he has responded several times in speeches to something trump has said.  The problem is that the right has been silent to the lefts bullshit for a long time and look at what it got us  SJW, snowflakes etc....  If you want to see trump using the hand gestures that shows it has nothing to do with poking fun at a disabled man watch the 2nd half of this video there is a nice montage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBpkMCa_D50
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Reply #53 - 01/11/17 at 06:38:59
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 06:29:43:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:53:49:
We only agree if by means testing you mean that by having a heartbeat and an IQ over 80 automatically disqualifies you from government aid, I apologize but I assumed that wasn't what you meant. Otherwise your incentivizing laziness.  Also, if by reform for inheritance tax you mean it should go to 0% then yes we do agree (you shouldn't pay tax on money that your dead relative already paid taxes on just because they left it to you.)  You also mentioned the unaffordable care act, another socialist program designed to give millions of able-bodied Americans healthcare by having others pay for it.  Lastly, I don't understand your position on social security, if someone doesn't touch it will not exist to much longer



LOL - OK, I see who you are.  Say hi to Ayn Rand for me.

I hope for your sake you never get sick or lose your job or need assistance in any form.... that would be terrible. 

Hey there all you other conservatives - look at this guy's response to me and tell me again how I'm so intolerant.

LMAO - it's like talking to a tree.


I was being overly dramatic, I even said in a previous post welfare should be a safety net not a way of life.  But, the point I was trying to make is that as a general rule government aid shouldn't be available to able bodied Americans or anyone here illegally.
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Reply #54 - 01/11/17 at 08:04:22
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 06:32:06:
if he is a child then so are the actors and main steam media and Obama since he has responded several times in speeches to something trump has said.  The problem is that the right has been silent to the lefts bullshit for a long time and look at what it got us  SJW, snowflakes etc....  If you want to see trump using the hand gestures that shows it has nothing to do with poking fun at a disabled man watch the 2nd half of this video there is a nice montage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBpkMCa_D50  



Wow - you really proved your point....Yeah, donny is totally not thin-skinned or making fun of a disabled person.  (talk about skewed reality...lol)  "Yeah, but Obama did this, and Streep did that"...  That's a childish defense.  OWN it, right?

But you know what?  Let's say for the fun of it, he wasn't mocking him.  Even at that, he made a HORRIBLE decision to use those gestures.  You'd think a guy in the public eye would think twice about using that tactic when talking about a guy with CP.... but no, not donny.  Yeah, you give him a pass.
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Reply #55 - 01/11/17 at 08:25:13
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 08:04:22:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 06:32:06:
if he is a child then so are the actors and main steam media and Obama since he has responded several times in speeches to something trump has said.  The problem is that the right has been silent to the lefts bullshit for a long time and look at what it got us  SJW, snowflakes etc....  If you want to see trump using the hand gestures that shows it has nothing to do with poking fun at a disabled man watch the 2nd half of this video there is a nice montage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBpkMCa_D50  



Wow - you really proved your point....Yeah, donny is totally not thin-skinned or making fun of a disabled person.  (talk about skewed reality...lol)  "Yeah, but Obama did this, and Streep did that"...  That's a childish defense.  OWN it, right?

But you know what?  Let's say for the fun of it, he wasn't mocking him.  Even at that, he made a HORRIBLE decision to use those gestures.  You'd think a guy in the public eye would think twice about using that tactic when talking about a guy with CP.... but no, not donny.  Yeah, you give him a pass.


Well I can't argue with you because you aren't making any point, in my opinion that video very clearly shows him using that same body language in many different situations, you may not think it "presidential", whatever that means, but I think it is clear it wasn't meant to be to demean a person with cp.  I am not the one with a skewed reality, the person with a skewed reality is the one who only sees a fault in those he dislikes and not that same fault in those he doesn't like.  But, I would expect nothing less from someone who only uses the term donny to refer to his next president, which is without a doubt used in a pejorative manner.   If you notice, although I think Hillary and Obama are despicable people I at least refer to them in a respectful manner.
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Reply #56 - 01/11/17 at 08:25:19
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 06:38:59:
I was being overly dramatic, I even said in a previous post welfare should be a safety net not a way of life.  But, the point I was trying to make is that as a general rule government aid shouldn't be available to able bodied Americans or anyone here illegally.



No, I don't believe you were - sorry, you don't get off that easy.  Even "able bodied" people need assistance from time to time.  If you lose your job because of "downsizing" what then?  If you're a single mom and have to provide for your kids and are living below the poverty line, what then?

The broad strokes of libertarianism paint over what real poverty is.  Look at the difference a few decades make.  In the 30's the country was compassionate toward the plight of the dust bowl - but now the plight of the inner city is all "their" fault.  Yes, there are some that abuse the system, but a majority of those recipients are on assistance for less than 2 years (and by assistance, I mean all welfare - disability, snap, etc.).

Illegal immigrants can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps.  But I realize that many get fake IDs and SS#s to get that - but that's a slim minority.
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Reply #57 - 01/11/17 at 08:29:28
 
[quote author=7D636C6D607D667B090 link=1483993153/45#54 date=1484150662]Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 06:32:06:
But you know what?  Let's say for the fun of it, he wasn't mocking him.  Even at that, he made a HORRIBLE decision to use those gestures.  You'd think a guy in the public eye would think twice about using that tactic when talking about a guy with CP.... but no, not donny.  Yeah, you give him a pass.


Oh and by the way this is some of the annoying PC police bullshit I was talking about. No I am not giving him a pass I just don't get uptight about every little F-ing thing and dissect every thing to try am create a false narrative.  I don't need to I base my arguments on reason and logic not emotion
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Reply #58 - 01/11/17 at 09:01:35
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 08:25:13:
Well I can't argue with you because you aren't making any point, in my opinion that video very clearly shows him using that same body language in many different situations, you may not think it "presidential", whatever that means, but I think it is clear it wasn't meant to be to demean a person with cp.  I am not the one with a skewed reality, the person with a skewed reality is the one who only sees a fault in those he dislikes and not that same fault in those he doesn't like.  But, I would expect nothing less from someone who only uses the term donny to refer to his next president, which is without a doubt used in a pejorative manner.   If you notice, although I think Hillary and Obama are despicable people I at least refer to them in a respectful manner.  


Except for "slick willy", right?

Yes, I see fault in dony - but how many times do I have to say that I hope I'm wrong?  Thus far he has given me/us very little to hope for.  Look at his cabinet picks!  Can you imagine the outrage of the repubs if hillary made some of those picks??  (fact is, she may have - yeah, she's in wall street's pocket, just like donny is)

Let me lay it out clearly....  The man that donny is is the problem.  He didn't show us his tax returns, yet he spent so much time trying to prove Obama wasn't born here.  Look at what he said about jeb's wife - and yet, he's married to an immigrant that got here thanks to some big money lawyers.  He has declared bankruptcy 6 times and started all his ventures with his dad's $200 million, yet he calls himself a successful businessman.  He contradicts himself on nearly every issue - from abortion, to Iraq, to TPP, to the Clintons, to well... pretty much everything.  He's never held public office.  He tweets on everything and has on numerous occasions re-tweeted out and out lies.  He has no respect in the international community.  He has direct business ties with Russia.  He has gigantic conflicts of interest - more than any president in the modern age.  He has given very little to any charities throughout his life.  He calls himself a Christian, yet has no direct affiliation to a church.

There is more, but I'll stop on donny.

hillary - I don't like her.  I didn't want her as president.  But she is only the better of two terribles.  The only thing she has going for her is that she is an adept politician and that the international community knows who she is and respects her.  I hate that she's establishment.  But I also hate that she's been dragged through constant hearings to make her look bad (after all the investigations of Benghazi, no one was found to have acted in malice - case closed).  Her email server controversy will probably look inconsequential when it's all said and done.  But I do believe there was a deeper reason she lost.  I think all the donny voters just wanted real change and not establishment - so did I.  So did most of the country.  The problem is, the DNC shot themselves in the foot backing hillary over Sanders.  They really did deserve to lose.

In the next two years, I hope to see the country continue to do better.  If that's not the case, then Americans will put the republicans out to pasture and begin to usher in a new era of politics.  Truly progressive ideas that are at the very heart of anti-establishment "politics as usual".
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Reply #59 - 01/11/17 at 09:10:59
 
The only one who would have been worse that hillary is sanders.  You want to talk about inexperience the man never held a job till his 40's and he was kicked out of a hippy commune for not wanting to work Grin
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