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Re: About that wall...
Reply #30 - 01/10/17 at 14:22:20
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:17:12:
raydawg wrote on 01/10/17 at 13:49:10:
You wish he was more presidential....
Oh kay.....

So you are saying white, male then  Grin

No, I'm saying instead of saying anything, just ignore it - but he can't, he's a child.

That is how a lib would spin it if a conservative critiqued Hillary with such....

Is it?  How do you know, are you a lib?

Anyway, Bill went in tv and played his sax, left thought so cool, right thought, not presidential.
You have become what you don't like  Grin


Seriously?  That's all you've got?  Nice!  So playing a sax on TV is just like tweeting like a little boy at the "mean actors" and mocking a disabled reporter...  Got it!

Thanks for the boost in confidence!

So an actor can say what they want but he can't respond.  Also, he didn't mock a disabled reporter, if you watch Trump those hand gestures are the  way he shows someone being flustered, he has done it numerous times and for many people who aren't disabled.  You may not think its presidential, but don't misrepresent it
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Reply #31 - 01/10/17 at 14:35:24
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:13:34:
Well to put it as succinctly as possible it is flawed because progressives fundamentally believe that fairness is measured in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.  Many of your wishlist items show this, and I may even agree to some extent with some of it, but not to the ends that progressivist take it.  You want big government to solve all your problems and since you need money for this you want to take as much money from the top earners in this country as you can.  The fact is that the top 1% of this country earn almost 20% of the gross income and pay almost 40% of the federal income tax so they are paying more than their fare share.  What you want to do is punish people for prospering to pay for those who refuse to.  Basically inequality and inequity are not the same thing.   There is upward mobility in modern day America, this isn't the dark ages were you were born into a social class and into that social class ye will stay.  But, you have to work for it, people working at McDonalds shouldn't make $15 an hour because they don't deserve it.  Those jobs are menial in nature and weren't meant to support a family, they were meant to support a teenager or college kids and give them some spending money.  I worked those jobs in college and earned a degree because I wanted more for myself and found a way to get it, and trust me it wasn't easy but I busted my tushy and payed for that education.  But, I am no superhero, I wasn't the beneficiary of some made up white privilege, anyone, regardless of their gender or race or financial circumstances, can do it if they want to put in the effort, but don't come and take the money i earned to give to those who don't want to put in that same effort.  Don't take my money to pay for other peoples bad decisions.  Welfare should be a safety net, not a way of life.  This country is becoming one of dependents rather than citizens.  


LOL - not sure where you get your definition of progressives, but thanks for endorsing every one of my points!  Sorry, but nowhere on my list did I mention that we should live off the government (do you know what means testing is?)  How about that, you agree with a progressive?!?!!!

However, I did neglect to clarify my "1%" statement.  Capital gains and inheritance tax needs to be reformed to reflect a fair burden.  Hell, Steve Jobs never collected a paycheck in his last 15 years or so with Apple - he took stock and paid barely any tax.

You'll notice I didn't list minimum wage being $15.  I think it's too much - but I also think where it's at now is too little (when adjusted for inflation, it should be around $9.20/hr).

BTW, it's not just guys like you that worked their way through college.  I did the same thing - working at K-Mart all year and then UPS during the holidays.  I don't begrudge anyone getting a hand up if they need it.  I took a small loan and paid it back.

Yeah, how about that?  A guy like you agreeing with a guy like me?


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Reply #32 - 01/10/17 at 14:35:31
 
No, I got more, but you really aren't looking for dialogue....

I can not call the where the pilot/first officer sit to fly the plane a cockpit anymore, or tools that cut wire diagnally, dikes, because the libs get their feelings hurt..... boo hoo boo hoo boo hoo.
They spend time on matters as such, when they controll....
Looking forward to fixing things that have gone neglected while we chase feelings.

That's it, I'll go find web in some bar now.
You can entertain yourself pudding  Kiss
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Reply #33 - 01/10/17 at 14:40:12
 
raydawg wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:35:31:
No, I got more, but you really aren't looking for dialogue....

I can not call the where the pilot/first officer sit to fly the plane a cockpit anymore, or tools that cut wire diagnally, dikes, because the libs get their feelings hurt..... boo hoo boo hoo boo hoo.
They spend time on matters as such, when they controll....
Looking forward to fixing things that have gone neglected while we chase feelings.

That's it, I'll go find web in some bar now.
You can entertain yourself pudding  Kiss

you forgot about the sexist Santa Claus that keeps calling every one a HO lol
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Reply #34 - 01/10/17 at 14:43:15
 
raydawg wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:35:31:
No, I got more, but you really aren't looking for dialogue....

I can not call the where the pilot/first officer sit to fly the plane a cockpit anymore, or tools that cut wire diagnally, dikes, because the libs get their feelings hurt..... boo hoo boo hoo boo hoo.
They spend time on matters as such, when they controll....
Looking forward to fixing things that have gone neglected while we chase feelings.

That's it, I'll go find web in some bar now.
You can entertain yourself pudding  Kiss



LOL - ummm.. am I supposed to understand any of that rant?  I don't think you need the bar...

Sorry your life is too tough to consider other's feelings... PC is so difficult, I know.  It'd be nice to going back to calling women "broads" and grabbing them wherever and whenever we want, right?  

Please don't run a way, I really want to know - What's the thing you miss most about the "old days"?
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Reply #35 - 01/10/17 at 14:53:49
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:35:24:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:13:34:
Well to put it as succinctly as possible it is flawed because progressives fundamentally believe that fairness is measured in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.  Many of your wishlist items show this, and I may even agree to some extent with some of it, but not to the ends that progressivist take it.  You want big government to solve all your problems and since you need money for this you want to take as much money from the top earners in this country as you can.  The fact is that the top 1% of this country earn almost 20% of the gross income and pay almost 40% of the federal income tax so they are paying more than their fare share.  What you want to do is punish people for prospering to pay for those who refuse to.  Basically inequality and inequity are not the same thing.   There is upward mobility in modern day America, this isn't the dark ages were you were born into a social class and into that social class ye will stay.  But, you have to work for it, people working at McDonalds shouldn't make $15 an hour because they don't deserve it.  Those jobs are menial in nature and weren't meant to support a family, they were meant to support a teenager or college kids and give them some spending money.  I worked those jobs in college and earned a degree because I wanted more for myself and found a way to get it, and trust me it wasn't easy but I busted my tushy and payed for that education.  But, I am no superhero, I wasn't the beneficiary of some made up white privilege, anyone, regardless of their gender or race or financial circumstances, can do it if they want to put in the effort, but don't come and take the money i earned to give to those who don't want to put in that same effort.  Don't take my money to pay for other peoples bad decisions.  Welfare should be a safety net, not a way of life.  This country is becoming one of dependents rather than citizens.  


LOL - not sure where you get your definition of progressives, but thanks for endorsing every one of my points!  Sorry, but nowhere on my list did I list that we should live off the government (do you know what means testing is?)  How about that, you agree with a progressive?!?!!!

However, I did neglect to clarify my "1%" statement.  Capital gains and inheritance tax needs to be reformed to reflect a fair burden.  Hell, Steve Jobs never collected a paycheck in his last 15 years or so with Apple - he took stock and paid barely any tax.

You'll notice I didn't list minimum wage being $15.  I think it's too much - but I also think where it's at now is too little (when adjusted for inflation, it should be around $9.20/hr).

BTW, it's not just guys like you that worked their way through college.  I did the same thing - working at K-Mart all year and then UPS during the holidays.  I don't begrudge anyone getting a hand up if they need it.  I took a small loan and paid it back.

Yeah, how about that?  A guy like you agreeing with a guy like me?



We only agree if by means testing you mean that by having a heartbeat and an IQ over 80 automatically disqualifies you from government aid, I apologize but I assumed that wasn't what you meant. Otherwise your incentivizing laziness.  Also, if by reform for inheritance tax you mean it should go to 0% then yes we do agree (you shouldn't pay tax on money that your dead relative already paid taxes on just because they left it to you.)  You also mentioned the unaffordable care act, another socialist program designed to give millions of able-bodied Americans healthcare by having others pay for it.  Lastly, I don't understand your position on social security, if someone doesn't touch it will not exist to much longer
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Re: About that wall...
Reply #36 - 01/10/17 at 14:59:58
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:43:15:
raydawg wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:35:31:
No, I got more, but you really aren't looking for dialogue....

I can not call the where the pilot/first officer sit to fly the plane a cockpit anymore, or tools that cut wire diagnally, dikes, because the libs get their feelings hurt..... boo hoo boo hoo boo hoo.
They spend time on matters as such, when they controll....
Looking forward to fixing things that have gone neglected while we chase feelings.

That's it, I'll go find web in some bar now.
You can entertain yourself pudding  Kiss



LOL - ummm.. am I supposed to understand any of that rant?  I don't think you need the bar...

Sorry your life is too tough to consider other's feelings... PC is so difficult, I know.  It'd be nice to going back to calling women "broads" and grabbing them wherever and whenever we want, right?  

Please don't run a way, I really want to know - What's the thing you miss most about the "old days"?


There is a difference between trying to be rude and letting a concern for hurting someones feelings prevent you from speaking the truth or taking a necessary action.  That is not to say that Officer Libtard over at the PCPD doesn't go overboard and get down right annoying sometimes.
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Reply #37 - 01/10/17 at 15:07:48
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:59:58:
There is a difference between trying to be rude and letting a concern for hurting someones feelings prevent you from speaking the truth or taking a necessary action.  That is not to say that Officer Libtard over at the PCPD doesn't go overboard and get down right annoying sometimes.  


Ok.... so then what's really so bad about being PC?  Why do some look at it as a burden?  It might be annoying, but so is being polite sometimes.  I'm not trying to be facetious, I really want to know what's so bad about it.
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Reply #38 - 01/10/17 at 15:22:41
 
Ok, really, really, last one.
My old days are now, when my bones creak.....arg.

Odd, how not agreeing with your agenda means 100 percent draconian acceptance, regression.
I'll never get you to see that, so I won't try.

As to PC'ness, when used as a tool, with punitive and societal ramifications, it is just plain censorship.
Not only that, it allows ignorance to flourish, for if expressing opposition
to any given PC promotion is curtailed, we will never have chance to understand how two people can see one thing differently.

To allow ugliness, vulgar thoughts, feelings, and words to be exposed in the open, will lead to their demise, vfir the very nature of them can not stand the scrunity of light....

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Reply #39 - 01/10/17 at 15:41:02
 
[quote author=5E4D55484D5B4B2C0 link=1483993153/30#38 date=1484090561]Ok, really, really, last one.
My old days are now, when my bones creak.....arg.

Odd, how not agreeing with your agenda means 100 percent draconian acceptance, regression.
I'll never get you to see that, so I won't try.

As to PC'ness, when used as a tool, with punitive and societal ramifications, it is just plain censorship.
Not only that, it allows ignorance to flourish, for if expressing opposition
to any given PC promotion is curtailed, we will never have chance to understand how two people can see one thing differently.

To allow ugliness, vulgar thoughts, feelings, and words to be exposed in the open, will lead to their demise, vfir the very nature of them can not stand the scrunity of light....

Bye now [/quote]


Dude, how is anything I said "draconian"?  LOL

You put some pretty words down, but they don't really mean anything.

PC used as a tool??  Are people that threatened by morality?  I'm not sure how political correctness encourages ignorance...  If that were the case then why have any respect for anyone, anywhere?

Lastly, not that I expect an answer since you said you're leaving - but what about my question?  What is it you miss most about not having to be politically correct, like in the "old days"?
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Reply #40 - 01/10/17 at 16:09:53
 
I believe I already answered that question, pc is bad because it lets a concern for hurting someones feelings prevent someone from speaking the truth or taking a necessary action. To quote persons far smarter than myself truth doesn't care about your feelings, and sunlight is the best disinfectant. Many times you can't solve a problem if you can't speak honestly about them.
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Reply #41 - 01/10/17 at 16:16:35
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:41:02:
[quote author=5E4D55484D5B4B2C0 link=1483993153/30#38 date=1484090561]Ok, really, really, last one.
My old days are now, when my bones creak.....arg.

Odd, how not agreeing with your agenda means 100 percent draconian acceptance, regression.
I'll never get you to see that, so I won't try.

As to PC'ness, when used as a tool, with punitive and societal ramifications, it is just plain censorship.
Not only that, it allows ignorance to flourish, for if expressing opposition
to any given PC promotion is curtailed, we will never have chance to understand how two people can see one thing differently.

To allow ugliness, vulgar thoughts, feelings, and words to be exposed in the open, will lead to their demise, vfir the very nature of them can not stand the scrunity of light....

Bye now


Dude, how is anything I said "draconian"?  LOL

You put some pretty words down, but they don't really mean anything.

PC used as a tool??  Are people that threatened by morality?  I'm not sure how political correctness encourages ignorance...  If that were the case then why have any respect for anyone, anywhere?

Lastly, not that I expect an answer since you said you're leaving - but what about my question?  What is it you miss most about not having to be politically correct, like in the "old days"?
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PC promotes ignorance because if you can't speak openly and truthfully about a topic then you can't educate people on reality, which is why college students seem to come out of college dumber than they went in.

being against pc to me doesn't mean to not be a decent human being and be respectful of others, but at the same time I think that people now a days take this whole PC thing to the Nth degree and are overly sensitive and get offended by ridiculous things (the whole snowflake, micro aggression, safe space thing)
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Reply #42 - 01/10/17 at 18:07:22
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 06:08:34:
pg wrote on 01/10/17 at 04:56:42:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/10/17 at 04:24:30:
 Do you need more?????


My guess would be yes as the examples you sited have no merit whatsoever and are not applicable to to their collectivist agenda.  

Do you remember when they couldn't differentiate their platform and socialism?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/02/leader_of_democratic_party_...

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I was asked "But I am curious, what was hillary going to do that was so bad?"  I responded with what I thought she would do that I would consider bad.  You may not agree with it, or think it is bad but I don't see how it has no merit


Apologies Joer, I was playing the devils advocate.

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Reply #43 - 01/10/17 at 18:10:30
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:43:15:
 

I really want to know - What's the thing you miss most about the "old days"?


Does this answer your question?



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Reply #44 - 01/10/17 at 18:20:13
 
pg wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:10:30:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:43:15:
 

I really want to know - What's the thing you miss most about the "old days"?


Does this answer your question?

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/05/3...

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what time period is represented by the red area?
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