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2016, the biggest factor?
12/21/16 at 04:50:54

Having missed the results myself, I have read much,trying to wrap any possible understanding, to the results of the presidential election.....
Of course it is a best guess scenario, as the reality of the outcome was sorely missed to begin with, sorta like Monday morning quarterbacking now Grin

I will share my final thoughts and I invite yours.....
Who knows, one day we might really know and we will be on record, as we know if Obama reads the TT must be a lot of other important people too!

I think number one factor was Bernie.
He pushed Hillary far left were that vote is taken for granted.
However, as most things the Clinton's do, it exposes another lie when they can't control the coverage.
It showed her close ties to Wall Street, banking, etc.
Her remark about a private view and a public view, was a big snare that sealed Bernie and lost a lot of his supporters when he bailed....
They would not cave in and support her.

The emails were a factor, but mostly because it kept her on the defense, and she became saturated with negativity as such, defending, like she tried to push in Trump with snatchgrabbing...
He deflected it for the most part.

She got into the race too early.
I believe she did this to thwart any real candidate running on the left, take them out before they even present a challenge, but again, the more you see that mug, it dredges up all the negativity associated with the Clinton's

She was her own worse enemy and witness, as her stubbornness does not come off as tenacity but of arrogance, and in the end I don't think she really could overcome that impression.
I think if The Bern had not been in it, she would have won, tho

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Re: 2016, the biggest factor?
Reply #1 - 12/21/16 at 18:30:48

raydawg wrote on 12/21/16 at 04:50:54:

" ... sorta like Monday morning quarterbacking now Grin

I will share my final thoughts and I invite yours....."

Don’t Know.
In fact, will invoke the well known phrase:
“What Does It Matter Now”.

Still working out, HOW, to get the Diametrically Opposed People,
(City Slicker - Country Mouse)
To see, each others thoughts !

People, like you raydawg, (and MANY others)
who are open to discussion.

Remember, Clinton & Gingrich ?
Can’t get two more opposites,
but they WORKED, and Talked, and came up with something !!!!!
(Without CRYING)

As to; Calexit,
How, does everyone HELP, that Happen.

Getting rid, of that, anchor, around your neck,
can, ONLY, be a Good Thing.
When you are in water over your head !

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Re: 2016, the biggest factor?
Reply #2 - 12/23/16 at 07:06:46

I suspect one major reason (and since I could never vote for Trump - nor could I vote for Bush Cheney (evil incarnate that Mr. Cheney), as a life long small government republican I do NOT understand. I see the coastal US voted for the more socialistic Democratic side, the South and Mississippi River heartland voted for the Repubs. While I think racism has a bit to do with the voting pattern, I also suspect that the Dems offered nothing to the middle class non university pop)>

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Re: 2016, the biggest factor?
Reply #3 - 12/23/16 at 07:37:53

Trippah wrote on 12/23/16 at 07:06:46:

I suspect one major reason (and since I could never vote for Trump - nor could I vote for Bush Cheney (evil incarnate that Mr. Cheney), as a life long small government republican I do NOT understand. I see the coastal US voted for the more socialistic Democratic side, the South and Mississippi River heartland voted for the Repubs. While I think racism has a bit to do with the voting pattern, I also suspect that the Dems offered nothing to the middle class non university pop)>

Racism is a wild card, and it really is not dealt fairly......
I think you see that had a effect this time under the umbrella of PC push back.
How many Blacks, voted for Obama, because he was Black?
Is that racism?
I think when you try and mince out, every reason as to why a vote was cast, you can arrive at your intended results.....

How everyone got the electorate wrong is the big question.
Trump was reported at only the slimmest of possibilities to attaining the victory in that count.
Some talking heads gave him the popular, because the deplorable just plain out number the rest, yet, they didn't really show up in HUGE numbers across the nation....

Again, I think it was a Clinton failure, they saw Bernie as the real obstacle and focused on him more than Trump.
Like me, I thought, and to some effect still, have a hard time taking this clown as serious.....
We'll see.

But Bernie exposed her to how far right Clinton is, personally.....
The "private" person, not public....
And when the shenanigans of Wasserwoman made Wikileaks, she had to spin more, the very liability of perception that has saddled her and kept her from ever getting high trust numbers.

Think about it....
The press, academia, BIG money from around the world, the most ever, the Clinton machine, and the fear that machine seems to exert over anything that might think about voicing an opposition to it......

LOST.......... to a clown, WTF.......????

That is the BIGGEST story of 2016.....

This is like winning the first 3 games of the world series, and losing the next 4......TIMES 10 MILLION....... Shocked

The Bern votes that didn't return to their "obligation", and the few minority votes that heard Trump say, "what do you got to lose?" tho small in number, made a huge difference in the outcome..... I believe.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 2016, the biggest factor? Reply #4 - 12/24/16 at 16:46:35 A decision based on race is, by definition, racist. Yes or No, if a decision to support or not support is based on race, it's racism.
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Re: 2016, the biggest factor?
Reply #5 - 12/28/16 at 17:59:05

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/24/16 at 16:46:35:

" ... a decision to support or not support is based on race, it's racism."

How can you say that JOG. ?

According to the, Media, it is NOT so !

The, (Legal , TAX PAYING, WORKING, CITIZENS) are ALL,
‘Raciest’, because they did NOT support, a Lying, (PROVEN MANY TIMES), person, Just because ……..

And of course, they are ALL suffer from, “Islamophobia”,
Because they have SEEN, what they do !

And they, ALL, suffer from, ‘Homophobia’, because, ONE Cake Baker. !

ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE !!!!!!!!

Just Like, EVERY Single, Gun Owner, wants to shoot fish in a barrel !!!!!!!

WAKE UP, ‘Fairy Dust Sprinkling, Snowflakes’, Wake UP !

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Re: 2016, the biggest factor?
Reply #6 - 12/28/16 at 18:12:05

Like, or do not like Trump.
Your Choice.
YOUR CHOICE, NOT, the DNC’s, Choice.
NOT, what your are, TOLD, to say !

Continue, to, ‘CRY’, or get on the bus,
or at least, WAIT, to see what happens.

Well, unless, you, ‘want’, to sit on the porch, and drink mint Juleps,
(That EVERYONE ELSE Pays FOR)
Then go ahead, and P & M, about how, YOU,
Can’t get your, ‘FREE’, Stuff, anymore !!!!!!

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 2016, the biggest factor? Reply #7 - 12/29/16 at 12:23:08 The baker was right.
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Re: 2016, the biggest factor?
Reply #8 - 12/29/16 at 16:51:20

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/29/16 at 12:23:08:

The baker was right.

Totally Agree.

But if one, want’s to be, ‘PC’, and kiss Azz.
All you have to do, is find a, ‘deplorable’,
AND, because they Stand UP to their RIGHTS,
Make a example, of them, to:
“Do What Their Are, Told To DO”.

So the Next person/business, will, 'learn'.

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