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Would This Allen Screw Kit Be Worthwhile?
11/29/16 at 20:16:35
 
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Re: Would This Kit Be Worthwhile?
Reply #1 - 11/30/16 at 04:23:08
 
I have had that kit in my eBay "watch" for a while......I just haven't spent the money yet.

If your bolts/nuts aren't tarnished or rusty....or you aren't looking to make an allen head fashion statement, or you don't have a lot of missing screws........you probably don't need these bolts - but they are much cheaper than trying to buy new versions of the original stuff.

The only warning might be that not all fasteners and stainless steel are created equal - and if the threads are not smooth and of the proper size.....they may not hold well in the soft aluminum cases and could strip the engine cases, head or cylinder of they are a loose fit.  If you get the kit - compare the fit of the stock vs. replacement screws and see if you can wobble a nut on the new screws more than the original screws.
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Re: Would This Kit Be Worthwhile?
Reply #3 - 11/30/16 at 04:53:14
 
Aluminum screws???????  I don't know that you could use the same torque values for them?  I wonder if corrosion/seizing would be a problem when using aluminum in aluminum?
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Re: Would This Kit Be Worthwhile?
Reply #4 - 11/30/16 at 05:53:13
 
If theyre anodized I think that changes the game completely.

If you're SERIOUSLY interested, contact the company and tell them you want a few nuts and bolts to play with and expose to elements and see if you want to use them.

Antisieze is always on the bench when I'm working on the bike.
The timing plug won't be a four hour job again.


Im surprised Dave doesn't have a comparison chart on
Stock bolts, SS bolts, anodized bolts
Start torque,length of time of test  , temperature, humidity, with/without
Antisieze /oil

And finally, how they came apart..

I'm just calling my reserve 20 miles,, Dave...
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Reply #5 - 11/30/16 at 12:25:08
 
I got that kit , they are nice quality , look very nice !
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Reply #6 - 11/30/16 at 16:51:00
 
I believe I got that same set last year; a very nice set; everything labeled for where it was to go.
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Reply #7 - 11/30/16 at 16:58:17
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/30/16 at 05:53:13:
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Antisieze is always on the bench..."



Have  AWAYS  used, a Antisieze.

Just bought a  new, bottle.
‘Versa Chem’,  Type #13,  Copper biased.
Package says:  ‘Up to 2,000F’.
8 oz was 8.95.
I am set for the Next 20 Years   LOL

So far, only tried it on on bullet molds,
 ( Molten Lead 750-800f)    
And so far, great.

But next Spring,  the cage Lug Nuts, and Lawn Mower blade bolts, will get a new little dose.
( and  Every other Bolt I take out of something)

Could not find a ‘Nickel  base’ one.
(Which I had used for  many years)

And would be a little Leary, of the  Aluminum Base one,
with either Alum bolts or, Alum mounting, or both.
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Reply #8 - 11/30/16 at 18:34:21
 
I have lubricants ranging from Turntable grease, sewing machine oil, air tool oil, spray white lithium grease, graphite ,greases and oils of so many types I can't name them.
I have never Had a can of WD 40 in this shop.
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Re: Would This Allen Screw Kit Be Worthwhile?
Reply #9 - 12/02/16 at 19:57:57
 
I use anti-sieze  on all fasteners where 2 unlike metals are contacting and aluminum to aluminum contact.
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Re: Would This Allen Screw Kit Be Worthwhile?
Reply #10 - 12/03/16 at 05:04:05
 
ditz wrote on 12/02/16 at 19:57:57:
I use anti-sieze  on all fasteners where 2 unlike metals are contacting and aluminum to aluminum contact.


And for sure on stainless to stainless bolts/screws.....the thread can get screwed up really easily on these when you torque them down if they don't have something between them - blue thread locker works as well as anti-sieze to prevent galling, and it also prevents them from shaking loose. (Don't use thread locker on the exhaust header screws).
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Re: Would This Kit Be Worthwhile?
Reply #11 - 12/03/16 at 07:17:52
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/30/16 at 18:34:21:
I have lubricants ranging from Turntable grease, sewing machine oil, air tool oil, spray white lithium grease, graphite ,greases and oils of so many types I can't name them.
I have never Had a can of WD 40 in this shop.


I worked for some 10+ years in the R & D department of a well known manufacturer and we found out that WD40 had ZERO lubrication in it!  It is primarily a solvent with some moisture barrier but NOT a lubricant!  Later, when I moved on to an even larger well-known company, which had literally 75 plus plastic injection machines, the policy there was that WD-40 was NOT allowed in the factory for any purpose.  It actually "washed" away lubrication from places where it needed to be.

Maybe OK for door hinges, or spraying to displace water and moisture, but not for lubrication.
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Reply #12 - 12/03/16 at 07:24:40
 
Dave wrote on 11/30/16 at 04:53:14:
Aluminum screws???????  I don't know that you could use the same torque values for them?  I wonder if corrosion/seizing would be a problem when using aluminum in aluminum?


I guess I got lost somewhere as the original post was about stainless screws and nuts, NOT aluminum!  Where did the concept of aluminum come in?

On my previous bike, I switched all visible bolts and nuts to stainless for appearance sake.  No more "rust rings" around any more.  

Just for kicks, though, I didn't buy a "set" that somebody had assembled, but bought them through McMaster-Carr.  I found out what I had at the time, and then ordered the same size.  One usually has to purchase in groups of 5 or 10 which will yield some extras on occasion,  but still LOTS cheaper than buying a pre-assembled kit.  This is probably what the bolt seller is doing anyway!
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Reply #13 - 12/04/16 at 02:56:46
 
[quote author=2A333F3E3735342E382F39313F233F5A0 link=1480479396/0#12 date=1480778680]Dave wrote on 11/30/16 at 04:53:14:
I guess I got lost somewhere as the original post was about stainless screws and nuts, NOT aluminum!  Where did the concept of aluminum come in?


In Reply #2 a link was included to an eBay listing for anodized aluminum screws.  Reply #3 & #4 are about Reply #2......all other posts are about the stainless screw kit.
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Reply #14 - 12/04/16 at 05:05:41
 
Dave wrote on 12/04/16 at 02:56:46:
In Reply #2 a link was included to an eBay listing for anodized aluminum screws.  Reply #3 & #4 are about Reply #2......all other posts are about the stainless screw kit.


I hadn't opened the link as I passed on the coloration issue.  I wasn't then aware that those were actually aluminum!

I would never trust aluminum on a machine like this!  Aluminum lacks the strength in many places where torquing is critical.
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