SuzukiSavage.com - Start logic:

Bruce Parker YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2	Start logic: 11/17/16 at 19:44:33 Should I be able to start my new to me 2002, in neutral, kick stand up without the clutch pulled in?--regards---Bruce
Back to top	IP Logged

Rodger Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 256	Re: Start logic: Reply #1 - 11/17/16 at 19:58:14 It's a quirk of the Savage/S40. Unlike many bikes, the starter will only engage when the clutch lever is pulled in, whether in neutral or in gear.
Back to top	IP Logged

Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #2 - 11/18/16 at 04:47:17 Yep, that's how it works. But, is it electrically controlled by a switch that can be jumped or something, or is it a mechanical quirk? In other words, could it be modified so you don't need the clutch pulled in to start?
Back to top	There's no problem that a full tank of gas and a sunny day can't fix! 2008 S40, Rotella T 15W-40 w/ZDDP added, Dyna, 140/90-15, Battery Tender Jr., Seat lift, #52.5/150/3 washers, Raptor IP Logged

Dave

YaBB Moderator
ModSquad

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 18138
Camp Springs, Kentucky
Gender: male

Re: Start logic:
Reply #3 - 11/18/16 at 05:14:03

Kris01 wrote on 11/18/16 at 04:47:17:

Yep, that's how it works.

But, is it electrically controlled by a switch that can be jumped or something, or is it a mechanical quirk? In other words, could it be modified so you don't need the clutch pulled in to start?

When you push the starter button....the circuit is not complete unless the clutch lever is pulled, and the clutch switch is "closed" to allow the power to head to the starter solenoid.

You can unplug the two wires up at the clutch lever, and connect them together......and no more safety switch at the clutch lever.

Back to top

Someday I will be old......But not today!

IP Logged

Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2633 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: Start logic: Reply #4 - 11/18/16 at 06:05:06 It's a good safety switch. But truth be known, I couldn't tell you if it is there or not because I've been pulling in the lever since I was 10 years old. It's just a good habit.
Back to top	A life-time student of motorcycling. LS650 Cafe, DRZ400SM, FZ6N, SV650S, CB900C, Ducati ST2, CB550F-SS My LS650=> http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Left.JPG IP Logged

Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #5 - 11/19/16 at 09:24:30 Thanks Dave. That's what I thought. If the bike were in gear (with the clutch safety jumped), the starter would roll the bike forward...or try to.
Back to top	There's no problem that a full tank of gas and a sunny day can't fix! 2008 S40, Rotella T 15W-40 w/ZDDP added, Dyna, 140/90-15, Battery Tender Jr., Seat lift, #52.5/150/3 washers, Raptor IP Logged

verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28905 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #6 - 11/19/16 at 10:01:19 RYCA has a circuit that will deactivate the clutch safety if it's in neutral.
Back to top	Versey's Place Tech Section Index IP Logged

batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #7 - 11/19/16 at 10:32:06 I'm with Gary on this one .My clutch switch messed up long ago ,so I bypassed it by connecting the leads together ,but I always pull in the clutch when starting any bike ,it disengages the transmission so the bike can't jump forward if I'm starting a warmed engine in gear.
Back to top	my old work mates called me MacGyver IP Logged

Kris01

Serious Thumper

Offline

Eat, sleep, RIDE!

Posts: 3767
Tennessee
Gender: male

Re: Start logic:
Reply #8 - 11/19/16 at 18:03:19

The original question has been answered so here's a slightly off topic one.

I park my bike in gear so when I crank it again, it's already in gear. I've heard you should start it in neutral. When the engine is cold and I crank it, I sometimes have to walk with the bike about 6 inches or so as the clutch is dragging the bike forward while cranking. Is this hurting anything? Maybe I should just get in the habit of shifting into neutral first!

Back to top

There's no problem that a full tank of gas and a sunny day can't fix!

2008 S40, Rotella T 15W-40 w/ZDDP added, Dyna, 140/90-15, Battery Tender Jr., Seat lift, #52.5/150/3 washers, Raptor

IP Logged

Kenny G Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com The Singles Club...LOL Posts: 1754 Robson Ranch, Denton, Texas Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #9 - 11/19/16 at 18:37:00 Kris, I too park my bike in gear. Before I attempt to start the engine I pull the clutch in and push the bike back and forth to break the clutch plates loose. This way I never hear any clunking when I put the bike in gear after the engine is started. I do start the engine in neutral with the clutch lever pulled in. Kenny G
Back to top	IP Logged

Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18138 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #10 - 11/20/16 at 03:23:41 Kris01 wrote on 11/19/16 at 18:03:19: Maybe I should just get in the habit of shifting into neutral first! When the bike is cold, the oil is not warmed up and is thick......yes. After the bike is warmed up.....I still start in neutral. The only time I start in gear is when I screw up and stall the bike in traffic.
Back to top	Someday I will be old......But not today! IP Logged

Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #11 - 11/20/16 at 11:31:25 I've been told by several people not to crank the bike in gear but no one has ever really said why. I'm sure it's better to crank it in neutral regardless. I'll start doing that from now on.
Back to top	There's no problem that a full tank of gas and a sunny day can't fix! 2008 S40, Rotella T 15W-40 w/ZDDP added, Dyna, 140/90-15, Battery Tender Jr., Seat lift, #52.5/150/3 washers, Raptor IP Logged

batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #12 - 11/20/16 at 16:12:13 If your just stopping for fuel ,etc. a short time, I park in gear and restart,if the bike is in tuned it should start right up and not put any stress on the battery or starter motor been doing it that way for 21 yrs on the same starter motor.
Back to top	my old work mates called me MacGyver IP Logged

Dave

YaBB Moderator
ModSquad

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 18138
Camp Springs, Kentucky
Gender: male

Re: Start logic:
Reply #13 - 11/20/16 at 17:16:56

Kris01 wrote on 11/20/16 at 11:31:25:

I've been told by several people not to crank the bike in gear but no one has ever really said why.

When the oil is cold and thick, the drag from the clutch makes the starter work harder - and that causes the engine to spin slower and/or require more amperage from the battery. Once the engine is warmed up and the oil is thinner - the clutch has less drag......the starter has an easier job to do.

Back to top

Someday I will be old......But not today!

IP Logged

Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Start logic: Reply #14 - 11/20/16 at 19:58:44 Correct me if I'm wrong but if the clutch lever is pulled in, it shouldn't matter if the transmission is in gear. The clutch still spins in the cold, thick oil. The starter shouldn't see any additional load as it isn't turning the transmission gears. Just playing Devil's Advocate. Thanks Dave! You're a wealth of info!
Back to top	There's no problem that a full tank of gas and a sunny day can't fix! 2008 S40, Rotella T 15W-40 w/ZDDP added, Dyna, 140/90-15, Battery Tender Jr., Seat lift, #52.5/150/3 washers, Raptor IP Logged