Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 11/08/16 at 07:06:34: You are wasting your time, Dave.
He believes in his current oil's advertisements and showing him a bunch of VOA info and suggesting Lucas is not all it is cracked up to be
FOR A SAVAGE would just be cruelty.
He comes from BMW air head dry clutch, oil only in the engine land and he does not grok he needs a different sort of oil for a wet clutch engine (keep them plates from slippy slippy) while also providing what a high stress flat tappet system needs.
Plus, he puts in the Lucas "oil stabilizer" too -- and only his very own personal clutch plates will ever tell him anything different.
If he wants to go play oil war, he can --- just show us clear label pictures of what you consider good Lucas oil and good Lucas "oil stabilizer".
Read and learn a bit .....
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1478354612 While I will not contest too much with your opinion about the better oil! However, I will put in a good word for Lucas. LUCAS has a proven reputation for quality and great products - theirs is not simply an advertising campaign, but proven in the field. This is NOT just due to an ignorant person simply believing an ad campaign. What about your loyalty to the Shell product? Based on fact? Or opinion?
The ZDDP on the product is used is well over 1,000 and it is a semi-synthetic which has proven to have superior lubricity (not to mention heat resistance) over regular oils.
As far as the clutch slippage, I have not experienced any yet, and don't expect to, as they were aware of that possibility and provided a mixture that avoids that.
What I would like to know from you, is has ANY of you tested the LUCAS oil offerings and compared them to the SHELL that you are recommending? It would seem to me that this would be a necessary function BEFORE you so brazenly attack LUCAS.
Finally, who came up with the number of 1,200 as the minimum ZDDP for oil for this Suzuki?
I am not contesting the oil question as I do not know, nor am I such a follower of LUCAS that I would defend them when if knew that they weren't correct, but I DO question your advice IF you have never done the appropriate testing - including testing on LUCAS products!
Finally, I have been riding motorcycles since I was 14 - some 50 years ago! I worked at a Honda shop, a BMW shop and a shop that even sold Hodakas! I have owned numerous Hondas, Yamahas, Bultacos, Hodakas, BMW's and yes, now a Suzuki, so I have been around the block a few times. I don't know everything, which is why I asked the question that started this whole thread!
To respond to your suggestion about the valve tappets on that thread that showed significant wear on them, I would suggest that you really re-look at that thread, It is CLEAR that the wear shown there was due to the bike having sat for a long period of time and the cam and rockers had rusted badly enough to create the pits. Normal wear (including wear from poor lubrication (such as your being below the acceptable ZDDP level) would NOT cause pitting like that! Running the bike after all that pitting would certainly give the results shown in the pics - no matter what oil one was using - NOT poor lubrication!
Typically, oil questions produce all sorts of opinions and also typically, they devolve into opinions rather than facts. I just want facts.