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10/19/16 at 21:18:48
 
O K .

Does any one know how an Oxygen Sensor works ?

So the Harley has a diagnostic function in its computer.   There is an Oxygen Sensor on both exhaust manifolds .   On my way to Oklahoma this summer the motor started running a little ruff.   Well , I tried injector cleaners , and different spark plugs.   Still runs ruff.  Fuel millage is down a little too (48-52 now --- 52-58 before).   So , the Diagnostic code thing says the rear Oxygen Sensor is running Rich.  

I pulled the rear O Sensor and mounted it loosely in the vice , then heated it (gently) with a propane torch while a Volt meter was hooked to the two wire leads.  "Zero" volts cold , I went up to .34 volt testing it with  mild heat.  

The real question is :  If I put a spacer in to back the O Sensor back out of the the exhaust flow a little --- then the sensor will produce less voltage .   So should that elevate the running rich problem ?

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Reply #1 - 10/20/16 at 02:55:18
 
An oxygen sensor looks for any remaining oxgen in the exhaust stream.  Heat is part of the process.....but you can't take the reading from the torch as meaning anything - as the sensor was trying to read the mixture being provided by the torch flame/fumes.

You might try moving the sensors around and see if the rear cylinder is still the problem child - if so.....it is probably an injector that is going bad.
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Reply #2 - 10/20/16 at 06:35:09
 
You know thats not a bad idea ! (switch-en  around)

I thought it might be like adjusting the Oxygen/Acetylene torch --- as in the more Oxygen = hotter flame.    Being the more Oxygen in the exhaust flow the hotter it is , but I'm only guessing about how those things actually work.

One thing for sure is : the hotter it gets the more voltage it produces .    Huh

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Reply #3 - 11/03/16 at 19:52:33
 
Dave you may find this hard to believe :

So I did switch the O2 sensors around ... no effect

I put the adapters in to space the sensors back away from the exhaust flow ... fuel millage went up a little but the roughness was still there.

Next I put a pair of 12" shorties mufflers on it and the roughness disappeared ... and to my surprise its not much louder ???  Cool
also :   The old mufflers and conecting bracket weighed close to 50# and the pair of Shorties weigh less than 5#  Smiley  I loss 45# in one day !!!  Grin


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Reply #4 - 11/03/16 at 20:00:47
 
maybe you had the same problem I had.
the muff are burnt out and the half the baffles are clogging up the others.
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Reply #5 - 11/03/16 at 20:23:50
 
I believe your right Versey , at the time the Roughness started I was on the Super-Slab running 75-80 ish for 150 miles strait  (4.5 gal.tank),  things had to be petty warm inside there !    Grin

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Reply #6 - 11/04/16 at 08:36:04
 
There you go. Textbook example of muffler bearings going bad. Cool
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Reply #7 - 11/04/16 at 09:25:33
 
Got a pic?... Where did you get the shorties?
I'd really like to lose a few pounds off my Sporty... Cool

I've also been known to scrape the stock muffies in turns... very scary... Huh
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Reply #8 - 11/04/16 at 19:47:23
 
I'll see if I can hunt up the internal baffles I used , but in short they are the "tune able" ones off ebay  .  

Mufflers are 1.75" one end / 1.5" other end

Two baffles meet in the middle with a homemade connector pipe and baffles are fastened on each end as designed.

I'll take "more detailed" pictures if ya need them.  Smiley

Effective action for when : Textbook example of muffler bearings going bad   Grin


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Reply #9 - 11/04/16 at 20:03:52
 
original mufflers had a connector bracket between mufflers.
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Reply #10 - 11/05/16 at 07:46:17
 
If you could find a link,.. Cool
I found these, but they don;t look the same...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARLEY-SPORTSTER-CHOPPER-CAFE-RACER-TWIN-CHROME-SHORT...
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Reply #11 - 11/05/16 at 09:38:35
 
Couple more questions if you don't mind.

Are those one piece pipes all the way from the heads, or are they mufflers on the stock headers ?

How are they supported with the OEM bracket/crossover pipe gone. Just hanging off the end of the header, or is there some kind of bracket that I can't see in the pics ?

I'd like to loose that bracket/crossover on my Sportster too, but most of the slip ons that I've seen need it, and the full systems are too expensive for me.
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Reply #12 - 11/05/16 at 17:57:50
 
Yea guys that's the same mufflers
I'm won't be home till Monday afternoon for more pictures ,  but
The original heat shield covers the 1.75" end.
The rear  mounting bracket goes to the rear foot-peg.
The front mount goes to the mid-mount peg holes Kiss
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I put a 1\4" bolt through the connection of: muffler-clamp , muffler , and header-pipe / all three layers , just to make sure they can't come off  Smiley.

The connector pipe is heavyer than both new mufflers put together Smiley
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Reply #13 - 11/07/16 at 21:06:19
 
I know most anybody could come up with a better mounting system , and I might do something different after thinking about it for a while but :

For the front muffler

First idea I had on mounting these mufflers are these.

I welded a group of nuts together to make a really long nut for the front mount , then mounted the "supplied" mounting bar to the mid foot-peg frame holes with enough bar left over to reach the stud on the muffler.   Then put in the nut column on muffler then a bolt from the bar.   Hope the picture makes it more clear.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - 11/07/16 at 21:11:06
 
OK

The rear :

I welded a "L" bracket on the end of the Supplied Mounting Bar to reach the rear foot peg.   Hope the picture shows it good.  Roll Eyes

Under the "Heat-Shield" (from the top) is a 1/4" short bolt threaded through all three layers of Muffler-clamp , Muffler , and Header Pipe  Wink just for added insurance against muffler blowing off on the road (both front and rear).   The internal baffle is the weakest link in the chain now !  Cool

Versey , You rode my Sportster up at Daves place for a bit ,  don't know if you noticed the vibration that was going on then --- but its all gone now !  Smiley

Don't  base your Sportster point-of-view on the way it felt then . its back to its "Old-Self" now  Cool


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