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10/13/16 at 11:56:30
 
Having an occasional yet repeating problem.  The engine dies when starting out from a stop.  I just start moving from a dead stop, 3-5 seconds later, blub, blub, blub, dead. Starts up after a little cranking, idles perfect, revs in neutral perfect, holds a higher rpm in neutral perfect, put her in gear start going, dies.  

However, after going through this start, go, die, cycle several times, the engine then runs perfect.  Did a hundred miles on her a couple days ago absolutely no problem.  Today... start, go, die about 7 times then she ran perfect.  Usually happens in the morning right after she warms up and I start out for the day.  But, she has done this to me after riding for an hour.  Always after I stop and then go, blub, blub, blub, dead.  And it doesn't happen every day.  Just occasionally.  

I've torn the carb apart a couple times in the last month, thinking it must be a carb problem.  Everything appears to check out.   Any ideas?
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Reply #1 - 10/13/16 at 12:14:48
 
Possible bad petcock or vaccuum hose going to it
Put petcock to prime and see if problem goes away
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Reply #2 - 10/13/16 at 12:22:16
 
I replaced the stock petcock with a Raptor a couple months ago.
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Reply #3 - 10/13/16 at 12:26:13
 
Arcreefer wrote on 10/13/16 at 12:22:16:
I replaced the stock petcock with a Raptor a couple months ago.  

did you plug the vac line?

Did you rejet?  what jets?
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Reply #4 - 10/13/16 at 12:32:04
 
When did it start having the problem?
Did you replace the petcock, hoping to solve this problem?
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Reply #5 - 10/13/16 at 12:55:22
 
I've only had this bike since June.  It's was stock 2011 with 9,500 miles when I got it.  I replaced the stock petcock with a Raptor after the original diaphragm went a couple months ago.  At the same time, I also capped the vacuum nipple on the carb and re-jetted.  Jets:  150 main, 50 pilot, half spacer on needle.  Installed new float valve, 1 3/4 turn out on mix screw.  K&N drop in filter and Dyna.  

Started having this problem about 3 weeks ago.  Just weird. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't.  At that point I was also having problems with poor performance in low to mid range.   I took the carb out a couple weeks ago cleaned everything again and swapped the 52.5 pilot with a 50.  Improved the low-mid range and didn't initially have the die under load problem.  Now it's doing it again, just the die under load problem when I go from a stop.      
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Reply #6 - 10/13/16 at 13:31:19
 
The part that's really tough to figure out is why is it doing this only sometimes?  

Other times it runs great all day.  Most of the time when it does it, it's when I first start out in the morning, but I warm it up first.  It's also done it to me after an hour of riding.  And after a few attempts and sitting and holding a high rpm (3,000+), it then runs great.  

Fuel's clean, plugs good, carbs cleaned, but sometimes going from a stop it just dies whether I pull in the clutch or not.  Then starts right up after a little cranking.   Undecided
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Reply #7 - 10/13/16 at 13:43:03
 
Question... How much fuel should be coming out of OEM Raptor fuel petcock?  

I've unhooked the fuel line from the carb and opened the petcock to see.  Not as much fuel flow as I would expect.

But why would it idle fine, sit in neutral and rev fine, hold high rpm in neutral fine, put it in gear and go for 3-5 seconds and die from what sounds like fuel starvation???  

Yea, I'm just thinking out loud now  Embarrassed

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Reply #8 - 10/13/16 at 13:44:08
 
Check for an air leak between the carb and the head. A loose clamp may cause a vacuum leak under load that isn't there with a light load. I'd also check the float height.
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Reply #9 - 10/13/16 at 13:49:02
 
Did you pull out the bush the float needle fits in and clean the little screen? May as wellchchange the o ring while you're in there.
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Reply #10 - 10/13/16 at 14:03:50
 
Make sure the spark plug is clean and gapped properly. Make sure it is tight when reinstalling it. Check your compression release cable for proper adjustment. Sounds like low compression or a weak spark.
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Reply #11 - 10/13/16 at 14:24:07
 
Gary - I'll check the carb to head link tomorrow.  I know the clamp is tight, but an air leak there would make some sense except why it would only do it sometimes??  What's the best way for leak testing there?

Gizzo - I actually removed the screen from the bottom of the float needle housing when I rebuilt the carb a couple months ago.  Didn't replace it.  Seems like I'd be having problems idling or revving in neutral if that were the problem.  Only happens when I go from a stop. Dies in a few seconds as soon as a load is on.  And doesn't do it all the time, only sometimes.  Always idles great, even runs and sounds great at higher rpm in neutral or with the clutch pulled in.  let the clutch out and she's dead in a few seconds.  doesn't matter whether I'm on the flat, on an incline or decline.  Which I find really weird.  She'll do it if I start from a stop going downhill.  Very little load.  

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Reply #12 - 10/13/16 at 14:39:19
 
Savageman - I tried changing the plug.  No difference.  And this is an intermittent problem.  Doesn't happen every time.  And when she's decided to run, she runs great.  

The compression release... She idles fine, revs fine, let the clutch out and blub, blub, blub, dead.  Doesn't matter if I pull in the clutch, give'r more throttle, nothing keeps her from dying.  Then she starts up after a little cranking.  Gotta crank a little bit more than normal, but starts right up, idles fine, revs fine.  After a few cycles of start-go-dead and she decides to run great again.
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Reply #13 - 10/13/16 at 14:40:33
 
When it dies, what kinda dramas are involved in getting it to start back up?
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Reply #14 - 10/13/16 at 14:42:37
 
One thing that comes to mind is an electrical issue.

If it were just fuel it would be all the time wouldn't it?
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