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10/06/16 at 11:59:56

A buddy of mine parks his bikes ($225 per bike per month, times about 5 bikes) at the garage I work out of in NYC. He does high end apartment and office renovations and mods.
Asked him if he had any interesting projects lately.
Mentions doing a musician's apartment who's albums I've owned for years.
Said he just did a high end kitchen reno for someone's Manhattan apt.
So, I asks, how High is High end?
Take a wild guess, he says.
So, keeping in mind that the average 1 Bedroom apt sold for $1 million dollars in NYC last year, I take a wild guess of $250,000.
He smiles.
Double that, he says.
And add $80K.
????
$580,000 for a kitchen renovation in an apartment!?!?!?
Yup.
Me being the peasant that I am, I can't even begin to think of what is involved, so I ask.
Well, $40K for the stove, and then the other appliances, brings the appliance total to $100K.
Then the stonework,
Then the custom knobs and fixtures.
And
And
And...
As a reference point, he has a crew of 24 guys who he keeps very busy with this kind of work.
Reminds me that in this town, I'm white trash.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Can't relate Reply #1 - 10/06/16 at 12:19:13 I could spend a day, maybe three, weighing and considering all of that... But, I'm gonna just go with I can't relate.
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gizzo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiCabbage. It's Savage. Posts: 1318 Australia	Re: Can't relate Reply #2 - 10/06/16 at 12:46:35 Some people, "trophy consumption" is what makes them feel important and successful. Good luck to them. Whatever makes their empty lives fulfilling.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #3 - 10/06/16 at 12:58:30 I could do the whole kitchen for what they got for the oven. Wall, ceiling, floors scraped clean. Throw everything out and start from scratch.
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jcstokes Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com is very useful Posts: 2119 Mauku New Zealand Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #4 - 10/06/16 at 13:07:17 I had my kitchen/dining area re wall papered in 1995, and I painted the ceiling at the same time. Stove and bench are still 1978. Fridge 2004, microwave, ex my late mother 1970's??
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Reply #5 - 10/06/16 at 13:23:01

I did mine in the spring. I did most everything but electrical and plumbing. I think we ended up a little under $20k with all new flooring, cabinets, counter tops, appliances, and fixtures. I don't feel like we really held back on anything other than the price of the cabinets since we got them from Ikea.

I didn't even know that there were $40k stoves. I would imagine that's even more than top of the line commercial stoves.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Can't relate Reply #6 - 10/06/16 at 13:38:53 For $40,000.00 a stove better come up with the menu, do the shopping, cook unsupervised, and always be right. Two stoves equal a decent little house? HOW?
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Reply #7 - 10/06/16 at 13:39:26

You are missing the point. It's not about how little you can get it done for, it's how out of control you can be.
My cousin is a Teamster doing construction in the city. His company just did one of the buildings on 'Billionaire's Row' in Mid-town. Almost 100 stories. Penthouse was a few floors and went for something like $60+ million. All the other units were $7-9 million, and were sold before the place was finished.
Because the units were all cookie cutter apartments (same floor plans), most of the buyers had guys like my bud lined up before they even set foot in the place to move walls, throw away fixtures, etc, and 'personalize' their places.
These are the folks Bernie Sanders was ranting about.
Another guy whose bikes I work on tells me he does investing for the one percent. Their two biggest priorities are big returns and no income taxes. Tells me he did a portfolio for one of his customers that made $18 million in the last 5 years. And the guy paid no taxes.
These are the folks that own Hillary and Trump and most of the government.
They don't want to know that you could do your kitchen for chump change.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #8 - 10/06/16 at 14:10:49 Who says trickle down don't happen?
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Armen Serious Thumper Offline Half-Witted Wrench-Jockey from Jersey Posts: 1452	Re: Can't relate Reply #9 - 10/06/16 at 14:15:43 Hope you are kidding. A person who makes a few hundred times as much as me, paying no taxes (while I pay lots), throwing out crumbs to the working slobs. Not exactly the whole concept of everyone paying their fair share. And it's not likely to get better.
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stewmills Serious Thumper Offline Imagination is more important than knowledge Posts: 2641 Auburn, AL Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #10 - 10/06/16 at 14:45:07 Ridiculous! I say flat tax for everyone. Plain and simple. No exemptions. No favors. No paying too little or too much now and jockeying with the H&R Block guys to beat the system for a refund. So much fraud in the whole refund game. You pay your fair share out of every paycheck and move on to the next one...no looking back.
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jcstokes Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com is very useful Posts: 2119 Mauku New Zealand Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #11 - 10/06/16 at 14:47:13 It's the same throughout most of the western world, if not the whole world.
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Reply #12 - 10/06/16 at 15:45:02

Yep. some of my family (my sis especially) work pretty good jobs in healthcare industry, being paid by the government and do everything they can to avoid paying tax, while screaming they don't have the resources they need to do their jobs. WTH? Then she spends 1 mil building a trophy house out of all proportion to her needs and complains she can't afford to have everything just the way she wants. Had to cut back on the guest accommodation. Poor thing, still got the $20,000 benchtops. :'(
Sorry for the rant, Armen. You touched a sore point. Needs v wants and all that.

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MMRanch Serious Thumper Offline Evil flourishes if Good Men do Nothing. Posts: 5837 LYNCHBURG TN Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #13 - 10/06/16 at 16:31:28 Money can't buy happy . but A lack of money can sure make a fella sad . I wish us all " Just enough " !
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28661 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Can't relate Reply #14 - 10/06/16 at 16:45:38 Seems a bit odd for a person to want someone to trickle on them... Oooooh! Rich people!... I hope they trickle on me!...
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