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Reply #15 - 09/20/16 at 11:18:52
 
Seems like with that kinda skill set Someone would be hunting for you. Are you willing to move?
Heck, maybe the real employer for you has been driven overseas or out of business.
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Reply #16 - 09/20/16 at 11:55:58
 
LostArtist wrote on 09/19/16 at 19:42:06:
 "  ... wages dependent on if they make a profit,


Want a, ’share in the Profits’,
Then you are most willing to,
Be,  "Responsible',  for the shortfalls.
  RIGHT ?
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Reply #17 - 09/20/16 at 12:01:00
 
LostArtist wrote on 09/19/16 at 19:11:42:
All employers should be forced  


'forced',  to pay as a employee to a ‘government’ fund.
'forced', to pay as a employer, to a ‘Government’ fund.
A Fund that is, routinely  ROBBED  From.
A Fund that, is Routinely used to PAY, people who Never,  NEVER,  paid into it.

And Now, people are calling that, Fund, a, Entitlement !!!!!!!


'forced', ,  That is  Pure,  B.S.   (Bernie Sanders)
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Reply #18 - 09/20/16 at 12:47:10
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/20/16 at 11:55:58:
LostArtist wrote on 09/19/16 at 19:42:06:
 "  ... wages dependent on if they make a profit,


Want a, ’share in the Profits’,
Then you are most willing to,
Be,  "Responsible',  for the shortfalls.
  RIGHT ?


Profit sharing is an incentive. The business is either able to absorb some shortfalls or it isn't. Employees have bought out owners and Boy oh Boy, that is incentive.
But, if government regulations and taxes, fees, and don't forget about the Cost of maintaining records to prove compliance,
Anyway, Employees aren't expected to pay the company.
Unlike CEOs of companies that They destroyed, they have no golden parachute.
They get that
Brown Destitute.
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Reply #19 - 09/20/16 at 16:57:23
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/20/16 at 04:15:47:
LostArtist wrote on 09/19/16 at 19:11:42:
All employers should be forced to have some kind of profit sharing built into their wage/salary structure.

wages are a lie


Forced ?  


well, employers are forced to pay employees, slavery is outlawed right?  

so instead of a minimum wage being forced upon the employers, they should instead set up some kinda percentage system of profit sharing, I haven't thought out all the details, but it could be like 1.5% (or something, could even be crazy like 0.05%, idk, probably need a highly detailed mathematical study of what's worth what depending on the value of the employee to the company, like a cashier worth more than a bagger or something) of profits + some salary/wage that can be negotiated or something.  something to tie the success of the employee to the success of the employer, right now the minimum wage has been the ONLY stagnate cost employers have, everything else has gone UP due to inflation.


just an idea
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Reply #20 - 09/21/16 at 06:01:36
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/20/16 at 11:18:52:
Seems like with that kinda skill set Someone would be hunting for you. Are you willing to move?
Heck, maybe the real employer for you has been driven overseas or out of business.


That's a downside. I have a few ties keeping me in this state. If you want to get into PM we can discuss but I don't like throwing specifics on the WWW.


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Reply #21 - 09/21/16 at 06:34:25
 
Reasonable enough..
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Reply #22 - 09/21/16 at 11:14:28
 
Sent you a PM, JoG.


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Reply #23 - 09/21/16 at 12:23:33
 
LostArtist wrote on 09/20/16 at 16:57:23:
" ... they should instead set up some kinda percentage system of profit sharing, ..."


Sounds good, on Paper.
Exactly the same way, A total, Communistic, society/community, sounds good on, ON PAPER.

But in Real Life, They DON"T WORK !

Here ya go, ya get 15.00 hr, at the end of the quarter, the company announced a Profit.  You get to share, So Next quarter, you get a wage of, 15.50 hr. WOW, your, happy. You did nothing 'extra', and you get paid MORE.  Now, next quarter, company, announces a profit again, (Not as much as the 1st quarter), but still a profit.

Now you get, 15.65 hr. (Etc Etc Etc)

After a year or more. Employees of the company, are so used to, getting a  raise, on the backs of, the employed, who WORK  harder.
And the employees, who are  LAZY,  STILL  get the SAME   raise !!!!!!

(I Know you have read;  'The Little Red Hen", read it again)

Employee Owned Companies, Do work, And the LAZY ones are removed on a Regular basis.

Hourly +  COMMISSION, (where it works), Also works Well.

A,  FORCED  Raise, whether it be by a legislated min hour rate, or a  Forced, Profit Sharing.  Does  NOT work.

You see what happened, with the FORCED, Min Rate.
(Screw the Human, build a robot)

Forced, Profit Sharing, will be just a higher, wage of many of the very upper, in the company, so the company, has very  LITTLE  profit, to pass along.

Very Similar to the, schools, 'TAX', raise.
(Campaigned with a schools  Money, your Tax Dollars)
and the slogan,  'The Kids Need Pencils.  (or like).
Yet the Next year, ALL, the TOP, got a  RAISE,  
AND,  A  NEW, Secretary, (or two), are hired, to be the, Secretary, of the Principals, Secretary, who has a Secretary.







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Reply #24 - 09/21/16 at 17:30:25
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/21/16 at 12:23:33:
LostArtist wrote on 09/20/16 at 16:57:23:
" ... they should instead set up some kinda percentage system of profit sharing, ..."


Sounds good, on Paper.
Exactly the same way, A total, Communistic, society/community, sounds good on, ON PAPER.

But in Real Life, They DON"T WORK !

Here ya go, ya get 15.00 hr, at the end of the quarter, the company announced a Profit.  You get to share, So Next quarter, you get a wage of, 15.50 hr. WOW, your, happy. You did nothing 'extra', and you get paid MORE.  Now, next quarter, company, announces a profit again, (Not as much as the 1st quarter), but still a profit.

Now you get, 15.65 hr. (Etc Etc Etc)

After a year or more. Employees of the company, are so used to, getting a  raise, on the backs of, the employed, who WORK  harder.
And the employees, who are  LAZY,  STILL  get the SAME   raise !!!!!!

(I Know you have read;  'The Little Red Hen", read it again)

Employee Owned Companies, Do work, And the LAZY ones are removed on a Regular basis.

Hourly +  COMMISSION, (where it works), Also works Well.

A,  FORCED  Raise, whether it be by a legislated min hour rate, or a  Forced, Profit Sharing.  Does  NOT work.

You see what happened, with the FORCED, Min Rate.
(Screw the Human, build a robot)

Forced, Profit Sharing, will be just a higher, wage of many of the very upper, in the company, so the company, has very  LITTLE  profit, to pass along.

Very Similar to the, schools, 'TAX', raise.
(Campaigned with a schools  Money, your Tax Dollars)
and the slogan,  'The Kids Need Pencils.  (or like).
Yet the Next year, ALL, the TOP, got a  RAISE,  
AND,  A  NEW, Secretary, (or two), are hired, to be the, Secretary, of the Principals, Secretary, who has a Secretary.










hmmm, yeah, maybe, but maybe not, there might need to be some kinda production standard and goals or something set up, notice I never said EVERYONE GOT THE SAME Percentage, I think the employer still has a right to judge the value of each individual employee, but this would give the employee a feeling of how the company is doing and if there hard work actually makes a difference, it might not work in every industry, idk, I think better minds would have to figure out all the intricate details.


idk

maybe their should be a very low base percentage every employee gets though.
the profit sharing would be part of your wage, from day one, and YOU DID DO SOMETHING EXTRA, if the company made more money EVERYONE in the company helped make that happen. or there could be some kinda production standard set up or something. and each INDIVIDUAL would be able to negotiate on a basis of real value to the company instead of just guessing


again, better minds would have to think it all out, what I'm kinda looking for is a base + commission for NON SALES personnel something where work is VALUED again, instead of JUST considered another cost of doing business
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Reply #25 - 09/21/16 at 18:19:51
 
LostArtist wrote on 09/21/16 at 17:30:25:
" ... if the company made more money EVERYONE in the company helped make that happen. ..."  


Well, I used to have some Ocean front lots in AZ, but I think, Bot, bought them all.   I'll give you first chance at some I found in New Mexico.
OH, I have a line on some land lots, that are just a little South & West, of  Malibu Calf. Wold those interest you also?


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Reply #26 - 09/22/16 at 17:41:49
 
Profit sharing is great but what about all the federal state and local jobs operating without a profit. Cops, corrections, forestry, military.
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Reply #27 - 09/23/16 at 19:51:03
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/21/16 at 18:19:51:
LostArtist wrote on 09/21/16 at 17:30:25:
" ... if the company made more money EVERYONE in the company helped make that happen. ..."  


Well, I used to have some Ocean front lots in AZ, but I think, Bot, bought them all.   I'll give you first chance at some I found in New Mexico.
OH, I have a line on some land lots, that are just a little South & West, of  Malibu Calf. Wold those interest you also?




you really are an a-hole huh?  


well, now I know who NOT to listen to

you seem like you'd rather be abused as a wage earner instead of valued.
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Reply #28 - 09/23/16 at 19:52:05
 
Dagillespi wrote on 09/22/16 at 17:41:49:
Profit sharing is great but what about all the federal state and local jobs operating without a profit. Cops, corrections, forestry, military.



awww, good point, but they usually get a cost of living increase yearly, so maybe something like that for them?
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Reply #29 - 09/27/16 at 18:33:05
 
LostArtist wrote on 09/23/16 at 19:51:03:
" ... you seem like you'd rather be abused as a wage earner instead of valued.


Interesting Statement above.

When I work Hard, I get  Paid.
When I work Medium, I don't get paid.
When I work Sorely, it  COST ME MONEY.

UN, like the 15.00 hour, workers, who work, Hard, at  NOT   working,
But STILL  get Paid !!!!!!
(Working or not, they STILL get  Paid)

Example:   In a store, Finally track down someone with a  'smock'.
Me:  "Excuse me, do you have this item in XLT"
Him: "Well, um, don't know, um, ah, a'l  um ys know check"
15 min later, see that same person, (Just walking about)
and ask: "Did you find out if you have the size I want"
Him: "well, um,  that be Joe, he um does um this section, ah, Joe will know". then before he walks off.
I say: "Where can I Find Joe"
Him: "Well um, ah, Joe, he ain't working today".

Next store, 3 stores away, in a mall, in a 10-15,000  town.

(To a sales lady who was readily available)
Me: " Excuse me, do you have this in a XLT"
She: " I'll check the back room, and get right back to you"
(5 Min later) she comes out with that thing and said:
"Is this what you are looking for, you can try it on, dressing rooms are right over their"

SAME THING,  and  2.00 CHEAPER !!!!!!

Yep, that, forced, $15.00 a hour, for a WORTHLESS PO S,
sure is working well !!!!!!

I am sure the young lady, makes 15+ a hour, and she WORKS for it.
She Does Her Job.

But Some people, want to, FORCE, a Wage, (whether or not people, Earn It), and then ALSO  Force, a  Profit  Sharing.

Simple Solution.
  FIRE the people, that stand around and scratch their azz.
and, Reward, the People, that  WORK.

OH, but wait,  "Hillery, and her like, say  PAY the people"
  (Whether they work or not)

So many, 'learn',  they can stand around all day,
and scratch their Azz, and get PAID.
And THOSE,  people want a, 'share' of the Profits !
     Yea, Right !






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