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Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch?
09/07/16 at 15:14:18

Hey all,

I am new to bikes in general and I am not sure if this problem I am seeing is due to my lack of understanding of bikes overall or specific to my setup on the savage. I have such luck getting help/ answers here I though this would be a great place to try and solve my problem.

So, I start the bike in neutral and it idles at around 1700-1800, I can bring down to about 1000-1100 with choke pushed all the way in. I can press the foot shifter into first gear with the clutch pulled all the way in, but when I go to release the clutch the bike shuts off. If I release the clutch ever so slowly I can watch my rpms slowly drop. Please help me understand why this is happening, is it user error, something that needs adjusting, electrical? Thanks.

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Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch?
Reply #1 - 09/07/16 at 16:15:39

Sidestand switch? Huh

If you have the sidestand down in gear, it will kill the motor. In fact, you can use it for a kill switch. Back when my neutral switch was bad (and I probably still will), I'd simply kick down the stand in gear to park. I don't even need to touch the kill button.

Maybe if there's something going on with that switch, it would explain it.

I take it that it's not stalling from load. Huh

Idle speed should be adjusted when warm. It tends to be kinda variable. There's a little fingerscrew on the carb to adjust idle speed. You can even adjust it at a red light. Giving it a little enrichment (choke out one or two clicks) may increase your cold idle speed. That's normal. Just keep it running at a reasonable idle speed (high enough to keep up oil pressure, low enough for control and minimal overheating or clutch drag) and you'll be fine. You don't necessarily need a tach. You can listen and feel for it to some extent, especially if you know how fast it's supposed to run. Go for a happy but relaxed sound. Not hyper, not dying... relaxed, secure, and happy.

Here's what 1000 rpm sounds like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq_W5xhtjBw

And 1100 rpm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WLURU50G-o

I'm currently suffering from savagecharliefoxtrot or something, so we'll see what the others have to say.

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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5096 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #2 - 09/07/16 at 18:08:26 I think they call that stalling the bike !
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Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch?
Reply #3 - 09/07/16 at 18:10:59

Ruttly may have a point. If you're a new rider.... Roll Eyes

Give it some gas and GO! (Just don't wreck yourself! Undecided

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A little gas... ease out on the clutch. Nice and easy. Don't jerk, Don't burn up the clutch.

These bikes are like manual transmission cars. You can kill the motor if you are too quick to pull out and/or don't give enough gas.

You should be able to ease out slowly and putt-putt right down the driveway idling.

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zuluwhiskeycharlie YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #4 - 09/07/16 at 18:11:30 Thanks for your input, I have bypassed the sidestand safety so I dont think that is it, also I have done the clutch mod from RYCA. How would I check if it is stalling from load? Additionally, is rpm supposed to be closer to 1000 or closer to 2000, just curious if my tach is actually reading correctly?
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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #5 - 09/07/16 at 18:16:40 zuluwhiskeycharlie wrote on 09/07/16 at 15:14:18: I am new to bikes in general... Try releasing the emergency brake first! Tach should read 1100-1200.
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #6 - 09/07/16 at 18:17:07 Stalling from load? Give it gas and GO! (Be careful, don't wreck. )
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #7 - 09/07/16 at 18:17:52 Kris01 wrote on 09/07/16 at 18:16:40: zuluwhiskeycharlie wrote on 09/07/16 at 15:14:18: I am new to bikes in general... Try releasing the emergency brake first! Tach should read 1100-1200. LOL!
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zuluwhiskeycharlie YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #8 - 09/07/16 at 18:20:37 It is very possible I am just stalling the bike I guess, is there a certain rev range to match/hold for the clutch to grab when I release the handle, or should the clutch grab cleanly without adding any throttle when at Idle?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #9 - 09/07/16 at 18:26:27 If you're not gassing it and letting the clutch out, You're stalling it. Don't wind it up like you're running fifty, just blip the gas, and as you feel the engine slow down as the clutch engages, add gas,
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Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch?
Reply #10 - 09/07/16 at 18:28:24

Do you have you're license or permit yet? Get out on your driveway where you can move about securely and not run into anything and play with it.

It works like this. When the clutch grips, the engine either pulls it or it dies. Probably not good to drag it down below idle speed for prolonged periods (wanna keep oil pressure up). For your purposes, it's not complicated. The Savage is a low revving engine. It can putt about like a riding mower. It's kinda like a lawnmower on two wheels! When you're on the four-lane doing 60 mph, you wanna keep your revs up, but for the driveway, you can just putter about. Wink

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #11 - 09/07/16 at 18:29:32 Feel for it.
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zuluwhiskeycharlie YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #12 - 09/07/16 at 18:33:59 Cool! Thanks for the advice I was a little apprehensive about adding throttle, afraid I would torque wheelie over and promptly die straight away before I could even get it to the road.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch? Reply #13 - 09/07/16 at 18:40:39 I'm thinking you have never driven a standard car.. Give it Some gas, not steady, blip it, FEEL as the clutch engages, Don't twist the gas and let go of the clutch. It's OKAY to squeeze the clutch back in if you get uncomfortable. It's not a rocket. Liftoff Is Not inevitable. YOU decide When and How Fast.
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Re: Bike Shutoff When Release Clutch?
Reply #14 - 09/07/16 at 18:41:15

Naw, You probably won't pop a wheelie and die. I can't say for sure I've ever pulled a wheelie on my Savage (or any motorcycle), and I've goosed it a little. Some have pulled wheelies, sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. I kicked her sideways once goosing it on damp asphault with an 8 year old tire. Shocked

I'm 6 ft 1 in, over 200lbs.

Be easy on it till you get used to it, and you'll be fine.

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