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Reply #15 - 09/03/16 at 12:37:18
 
I went by the timing marks on the crank. I go mostly left, but sometimes a little right. The gears are noisy turned backwards, as if the gears were ground only to be turned one way. Huh

How could it possibly be that loose in any crank position? Unless I screwed up before somehow... Nah... Doesn't make sense. I tightened it by only a couple thousandths. It should not have changed. Period.

What could happen if turned it backwards, besides the unlikely event that crank bolt comes loose? I seem to remember reading in Versy's guide that it was okay to turn it backwards a little. Huh

I'm gonna have to get ready for work now.
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Reply #16 - 09/03/16 at 12:46:12
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/03/16 at 12:27:56:
ment, I would have figured it out by now? Do you think I'm that dumb?


Why would I Ever question your abilities? Are you Dumb? No, I have read some things you've said. BETWEEN those lucid moments, however, you can misfire something awful..
IF the adjustments changed on their own, they would not be snugged with the jam nut. Unless I burned up the cam/rockers.
Get it on compression, see the mark on the crank?
Rotate the nut CCW, or, Botward, or Left.
If you screw up, go around, not CW, or JoGward, or Right.

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Re: My first ride.... and the clutch drags.
Reply #18 - 09/03/16 at 12:48:22
 
Maybe someone else isn't tired of this. I'm sure sick of it.

I'm gonna say this, and you're gonna have to figure it out.

I told you to turn the motor the way IT turns.
Don't Don't Don't go the other way more than a few degrees, but for you, best not At ALL.
The crank turns twice , compression at tdc, exhaust at tdc, lines line up with each.
Get it on compression, line up the marks, adjust your valves.
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Reply #19 - 09/03/16 at 13:41:33
 
The thing is... It's tough telling which way the engine turns because the crank is not visible while the engine is running.

But... Yes... I understand... No more turning backwards. Not a bit... I got it.

Doubt that's gonna fix anything... but... that's what I'll do, when I go to turn it anymore.
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Re: My first ride.... and the clutch drags.
Reply #20 - 09/03/16 at 13:44:57
 
cheapnewb24 wrote on 09/03/16 at 12:37:18:
I seem to remember reading in Versy's guide that it was okay to turn it backwards a little. Huh

I guess cause it doesn't say explicitly not to do that it's ok?

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Remove the timing port cover.
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/ValveAdj/DSCN0487.JPG

It's preferred to use a 17 mm socket with a breaker bar and turn the flywheel COUNTER CLOCKWISE. The Clymer manual has this wrong! It says to go clock wise! NO! You want to turn the flywheel in the same direction the wheels turn while going forward.

http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/ValveAdj/timing_marks.jpg
Turn the flywheel around several times while watching the rocker arms and the adjusting screw go up and down to get a feel for what's going on. You will be at TDC on the compression stroke when both sets of rocker arms with the adjusting screws are down.  The lobes on the cam will be down, but you can't see this.
The piston is at max height, use the screw driver or plastic straw in the spark plug hole to determine this.  There should be a little play in the rocker arms now.
Check that the timing marks on the flywheel and the crank case more or less line up.
Don't be afraid to keep turning the flywheel counter clockwise until you get the hang of it and are confident that you are at TDC on the COMPRESSION STROKE.
NOTE:  If you do not have a 17mm socket with a breaker bar, there are 2 other methods:
You can use a 17 mm deep socket w/a rachet, but this is tricky. Due to inertia, the ratchet tends to let the flywheel spin past where you want it to be. That's the way ratchets work; they are free to spin in one direction.
Put the bike in a high gear and push it forward... while watching the rocker arms and timing port. Or jack up the rear wheel and spin it in the forward direction.

Now we can actually measure the valve clearance and adjust it if necessary.

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Reply #21 - 09/03/16 at 13:49:51
 
Oops....


Can turning it backwards throw off the adjustment?
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Reply #22 - 09/03/16 at 13:52:12
 

Justin, I was not worried so much about adjusting the valves. I've been worried about why I'm having to adjust the valves.

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Reply #23 - 09/03/16 at 14:01:16
 
cheapnewb24 wrote on 09/03/16 at 13:49:51:
Oops....


Can turning it backwards throw off the adjustment?

I thought you said you were OCD?
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Reply #24 - 09/03/16 at 14:06:25
 
Maybe you f...ed up when you put the clutch in, lost the oil pump drive pin, that's somehow jamming the clutch and run the top end dry, making the oil sparkly and flogging the cam lobes off, giving you the extra valve clearance.
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Reply #25 - 09/03/16 at 15:26:03
 
Cheap,

You really, really shouldn't be working on your motorcycle. You poor mechanical skills and poor judgement could cost you your life. Your threads are quite painful to read. I implore you to find a local mechanic before you wind up in the hospital or worse.
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Reply #26 - 09/03/16 at 17:23:38
 
Remember when I was worried about the clutch lever position? Well, I, with my Dad's help, pulled the cover and took the back off and checked it. The oil pump drive should be okay. I used the same lock washer a second time, bending it in two new places.

I haven't checked it since I rode it, though....
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Reply #27 - 09/03/16 at 17:31:23
 
It just hit me... I'm pretty confident the drive pin was engaged, but maybe it fell out if it wasn't engaged far enough.  Huh

Remember I said I pulled the cover and went over it a second time. The position of the gears (I mean forward and backward from each other) wasn't significantly different the second time.

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Reply #28 - 09/03/16 at 17:40:10
 
...Doubtful Undecided
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Re: My first ride.... and the clutch drags.
Reply #29 - 09/03/16 at 18:03:51
 
Do you have a Suzuki maintenance manual or the Clymers?

If Clymers, there are mistakes in it.
If Suzuki, you're good to go.
If neither, you're not in a good place.
There's a link to a PDF manual.
You NEED a manual
We NEED you to have one
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