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Reply #15 - 08/30/16 at 17:45:35
 
Yeah, people are just Forever asking me to show them how wrong they are.
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Reply #16 - 08/30/16 at 18:21:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/30/16 at 17:45:35:
Yeah, people are just Forever asking me to show them how wrong they are.


I'm sorry.....
I think you missed what I was trying to say.

Who wants to be told they are wrong, you?
However, if you are a witness, to someone, who has observed you, and they ask a question like this: "Hey Jog, you seem to really have it together, etc, and I was wondering what makes life work for you?"

Now you have been invited.

Would you start out by saying, well, its because you are a friggin commie lib, eh?
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Reply #17 - 08/30/16 at 19:27:44
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/30/16 at 17:45:35:
Yeah, people are just Forever asking me to show them how wrong they are.



NO, NO, NO, NO, NO ONE EVER ASKS YOU, YOU JUST VOLUNTEER IT TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL SUPERIOR.  

the whole appeal of Trump to people LIKE YOU JOG was that he was different, well, this is just ONE MORE THING where Trump has proven he's JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE in politics. while you yell at Hillary supporters for being blind, you are JUST as blind while saying you SEE better than the Hubble Telescope

You are not superior or better, Trump is JUST LIKE EVER OTHER POLITICIAN, waiting to be bought and sold, and he'll buy and sell America out just like the rest of them, He'll sell to Putin, and once he meets some Saudi's, he'll take their money too. cause you know what, that's how the world is, THAT'S TRUTH.  you want to live in some ideologically pure fairy tale you're going to have to move to Canada. THIS IS THE CAPITALIST EXTREME UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!


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Reply #18 - 08/30/16 at 19:40:44
 
You feel better now?
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Reply #19 - 08/30/16 at 20:27:37
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/30/16 at 19:40:44:
You feel better now?


Be careful who you invite Jog  Grin
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Reply #20 - 08/31/16 at 02:37:22
 
Hitlery ALREADY sold to Putin.

See
Russia access America's uranium

Did she try to get it shut down? The president didn't hear a complaint, so, he wasn't gonna cancel the golf and do anything.

She's a winner, alright. I feel safe..
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Reply #21 - 08/31/16 at 05:56:49
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/30/16 at 16:44:32:
Yet, those who sneer at me won't expose their precious minds to information that would challenge their thinking.

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I feel that travel broadens the mind.
Not some easy, simple, 2 week vacation, but diving head-first into foreign cultures, including conflict zones, religious hot-spots, staying with the locals (rather than hotels), learning to speak their languages....

Talk to people that have lived through Nazi occupation, Soviet occupation, see little kids begging in the street that have a limb missing (their 'parents' have disfigured them so they become more 'professional beggars')....

Expose your precious mind to information that would challenge your thinking by exposing your mind to information that would challenge your thinking....

Reading internet conspiracy sites from the safety of Texas, then telling people on a Suzuki forum that they are closed-minded ain't a great start.

PS. My apologies if you were in Vietnam, as I know other people here were.
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Reply #22 - 08/31/16 at 06:07:48
 
so the books I have been trying to get people to pay attention to are
Conspiracy theory sites.
You can shove it. I have explained too many times to even care that you completely mischaracterized everything I said.
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Reply #23 - 08/31/16 at 06:25:55
 
Okay, books not www sites.

Personal experience gets my vote over printed matter.

Books or internet sites, my point remains.
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Reply #24 - 08/31/16 at 07:39:27
 
So, the books I have tried to get people to look at, books about OUR education system, OUR banking system, OUR foreign policy, they shouldn't be read, because Travel, spending time in other countries, broadens the mind Better?

Your point fell down.

No matter what societies one invests years in, understanding the things that are done to forward an agenda and the people aren't told truthfully what is being done, those years of mind expansion will only help understand the society, not the goals of the policy makers.

One of the books, Confessions of An Economic Hitman, is very illuminating.
Nobody should even NEED for Charlotte Iserbyt to explain what happened to the schools. Not if they are over fifty. Nobody can MAKE that many mistakes and Not get something right once in a while.

And what about Henry Ford? Was he a conspiracy theorist?
Why did he say what he said about the federal reserve?

Was Ike a conspiracy theorist?


“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.  To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, An Autobiography, 1913 (Appendix B)

Woodrow Wilson
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“A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men… [W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States, The New Freedom, 1913

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“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something.  They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” – Woodrow Wilson, 28th President


But I am a goofball?
What's wrong with people that they see the world through the lens created by propaganda rather than the observations and experience of their lives?
I Watched the schools be sabotaged. They made changes and the results were negative. Rather than Undo what they had done, they demanded more money and power to make even More changes.. which, shockingly, Also resulted in lower performance.

I am the only person I know who has read Any of Keynes book. It's so obvious that the system is a fraud in just three chapters that I threw it away. Creature from Jekyll Island is a good book. It's impossible to know if it's All correct, but it's easy to see that it is generally so.

The list of countries that we Would invade, public, shortly after 9/11.
And yet, the REASON for invading the recent ones are more recent than the list.

How is that possible?
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Reply #25 - 08/31/16 at 08:17:52
 
"So, the books I have tried to get people to look at, books about OUR education system, OUR banking system, OUR foreign policy, they shouldn't be read, because Travel, spending time in other countries, broadens the mind Better?"

Not at all, ideally these books should be read.

When you can compare your education system, your foreign policy to that in other places can you see things objectively and in perspective.

Do I try and drill into people what your Noam Chomsky (for eg.) has said about your banking/foreign policy, etc?
Then claim everyone who doesn't either read or take heed of what was written in those books as being a blinkered idiot?

"I am the only person I know who has read Any of Keynes book."
No, you are not.

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Reply #26 - 08/31/16 at 08:28:53
 
I don't NEED to be able to see that other countries POLICIES are equally stupid, less corrupt, whatever, in Order to understand that OUR ways are Damaging OUR country.

If Noam would do honest research and deliver a solid piece of informative work, and everyone was happily just believing the lies of those who benefit from the system, then you would right in goading people to read it.
Chomsky, however, I doubt has or will be doing that.

I would appreciate it if the people of America would try to educate themselves on the workings of the world. It's NOT what we would believe based on what we learn in school.

And I posted a few people who were historical figures, not known for their insanity, who SAID, things are not as they seem.
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Reply #27 - 08/31/16 at 08:55:31
 
"I would appreciate it if the people of America would try to educate themselves on the workings of the world. It's NOT what we would believe based on what we learn in school."

Agreed. Same with the people in most nations.

On a side note, I imagined you to be more a 'Friedman' than a 'Keynes' person.
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Reply #28 - 08/31/16 at 09:58:50
 
I wanted to understand the system we are using. Keynes literally
Wrote the book.
I understand Why the politicians were willing to go with it.
The People, if they understood what the economic system is built on, would probably string them up.
Im definitely an Austrian school of economics guy, but I read about Keynesian economics in order to understand what is happening.
I don't Just read what supports my opinions. I read some of the wrong headed stuff to know how wrong they are.

I see a lot of projecting going on here. Those who disagree with me, without even bothering to look at things that support my thinking, pretend that I am who I am because I'm brainwashed.
Well, brainwashed is the state of the masses. But they are too far gone to grasp that THAT is the target of propaganda, the masses. It's the maverick who goes in search of the details and the facts, rather than just shrug and pretend that They are
In the Know
Because They understand that things are what the schools said, what the news says, it's all just simple and obvious.

But what about the people who were historical figures, saying otherwise? I didn't know about them when I started down this road.
What about the countries that we would invade, the list of names, but they didn't Need invading when the list was made public..

Ohh, well, the dumb masses won't figure That out.
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Reply #29 - 08/31/16 at 10:45:49
 
http://consciouslifenews.com/verified-warnings-presidents-about-invisible-gov...

I had no idea about these people and their thinking when I started digging into the rods and levers that actually move to make things happen.
People who don't know about the economic Hitman don't understand so much about Why we get involved in wars.
No, I didn't Say that is the ONLY reason.

People who don't want to see what happened to the schools have no hope of understanding the federal reserve, because they are equally sinister. Bots right about people and the emotional impact of realising that they have been duped. They will risk physical injury to avoid being forced to see the truth.
I will readily admit that when my suspicions were shown to be correct and even worse than I had thought, I was physically out of whack for days. I can't imagine how bad it would be for someone who believed that everything that is wrong was simply the result of a long series of mistakes suddenly coming to terms with the truth.

Gee, all the time and money spent on our schools.
They suck.
Our Best and Brightest
Forge the trade agreements.
They suck.
We've been at war longer than ever, no end in sight,
Does anyone even know Why anymore?
I don't.

Is Anyone ready to explain Why Henry Ford said

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. Henry Ford
Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/henryford136294.html

So, with so many people who have good reputations for not being stupid saying things that would make curious people stop and wonder, if you aren't wondering about things, wondering if you are seeing behind the curtain, or if you are so short sighted that you don't even see the curtain, is that why you get so unhappy with me? You don't wanna see so my pointing it out is irritating.?
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