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Reply #15 - 08/24/16 at 06:14:24
 
oldNslow wrote on 08/23/16 at 18:25:31:
The State Dept has just issued a warning for US citizens traveling to Iran, based on information that the Iranian government will "detain" US citizens whenever possible on "suspicion" of illegal activity.


Why should we have to follow their laws in their country?


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Reply #16 - 08/24/16 at 09:01:35
 
Paraquat wrote on 08/24/16 at 06:14:24:
oldNslow wrote on 08/23/16 at 18:25:31:
The State Dept has just issued a warning for US citizens traveling to Iran, based on information that the Iranian government will "detain" US citizens whenever possible on "suspicion" of illegal activity.


Why should we have to follow their laws in their country?


--Steve


Not sure if you are being sarcastic or serious. If you're serious your comment makes no sense. Most of the US citizens who were, or are, jailed there didn't break anybody's law. They were picked up for political reasons. I know it happened a long time ago but do you recall the 52 folks who spent 444 days locked up in our own embassy. "Which Iranian laws did they break? Some of the young Iranian "revolutionaries" involved in that kerfuffle are now helping to run the country. Some sh*t doesn't change.
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Reply #17 - 08/24/16 at 13:45:05
 
JoG: "The cheapness o f the thinking that Allowed you to say that is just astonishing. "

So you're not challenging the points made, but tell us of the disgust you feel, then go on to insults.

I won't tell you of the Iranians I stayed with on my travels, it might be a shock to you.

I was pointing out that your Govt has given constant warnings of travel to Iran for the last X-years.
This was to question the post by OnS which commented on the timing of these warnings:
"Suprise! Suprise! Couldn't have possibly seen that coming"

It's been there for years already.

PS. I've travelled and lived in the Middle East, my thinking comes from my experience.
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Re: Of COURSE it wasn't a ransom..
Reply #18 - 08/24/16 at 18:35:43
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/23/16 at 23:11:39:
Hovis , that's the biggest
Weasels rule
Post you ever did.


Literally left me with a visceral feeling of disgust.


So, it's Okay to chum the water, as long as you Told the swimmers ther might be sharks.

The cheapness o f the thinking that Allowed you to say that is just astonishing.



back to insulting others instead of answering questions huh?
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Reply #19 - 08/24/16 at 19:01:07
 
LostArtist wrote on 08/24/16 at 18:35:43:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/23/16 at 23:11:39:
Hovis , that's the biggest
Weasels rule
Post you ever did.


Literally left me with a visceral feeling of disgust.


So, it's Okay to chum the water, as long as you Told the swimmers ther might be sharks.

The cheapness o f the thinking that Allowed you to say that is just astonishing.



back to insulting others instead of answering questions huh?  


Huh..... Gee, that sounds like an insult.
Hey, I put up a few post, you want to respond to them?
Try the "WLM" show Jog how to give a constructive answer.
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Reply #20 - 08/24/16 at 19:01:18
 
HovisPresley wrote on 08/24/16 at 13:45:05:
I've travelled and lived in the Middle East, my thinking comes from my experience.


So tell us about your experiences in the middle east, where did you live and for how long?

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Reply #21 - 08/24/16 at 19:07:01
 
pg wrote on 08/24/16 at 19:01:18:
HovisPresley wrote on 08/24/16 at 13:45:05:
I've travelled and lived in the Middle East, my thinking comes from my experience.


So tell us about your experiences in the middle east, where did you live and for how long?

Best regards,


I visited my extended family in Southern California recently.
They are mostly Hispanic.
I shared how funny it was that some of them are voting for Trump...
They voted for Obama last time.
From watching the news, all of them Mexicans are suppose to be against Trump.....
Or so I thought.
Hovis and Bot chided me with retorting that doesn't mean squat, because it doesn't represent those Mexicans they know....
Go figger  Grin
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Reply #22 - 08/24/16 at 19:16:36
 
raydawg wrote on 08/24/16 at 19:07:01:
I visited my extended family in Southern California recently.
They are mostly Hispanic.


Quite the colorful background you have along the Native American ancestry.  My end is more on the bland side, just us hard-nosed pollacks.  

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Reply #23 - 08/24/16 at 19:34:34
 
Paraquat wrote on 08/24/16 at 06:14:24:
oldNslow wrote on 08/23/16 at 18:25:31:
The State Dept has just issued a warning for US citizens traveling to Iran, based on information that the Iranian government will "detain" US citizens whenever possible on "suspicion" of illegal activity.


Why should we have to follow their laws in their country?


--Steve


because we said we would??  

well, we actually said we'd follow the verdict of a world court based in The Hague

here's the New York Times describing history, if you want to believe it or not, that's you

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/opinion/the-fake-400-million-iran-ransom-st...

"the money was part of a separate negotiation over funds the United States has owed Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution.

At that time, Washington froze Iranian assets in the United States, including money paid by Tehran for military hardware that the United States never delivered after its ally there, the shah, was overthrown. In 1981, the two countries agreed that a tribunal at The Hague would adjudicate the legal claims.

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The United States and Iran have wrestled with this issue for decades, but efforts to reach a settlement intensified once the two sides began work on the nuclear deal. Tribunal decisions are binding, and the administration concluded it would lose at The Hague; in addition to $400 million, Iran was seeking billions of dollars in accumulated interest."

either way, what does this matter, Neither Clinton nor Trump have ANYTHING to do with this deal.
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Reply #24 - 08/24/16 at 19:40:14
 
pg wrote on 08/24/16 at 19:16:36:
raydawg wrote on 08/24/16 at 19:07:01:
I visited my extended family in Southern California recently.
They are mostly Hispanic.


Quite the colorful background you have along the Native American ancestry.  My end is more on the bland side, just us hard-nosed pollacks.  

Best regards,


Yes, both my brother and I married Hispanic women.
My daughter married a Hispanic man.
I tease them ALL when we go to a rosary when one of the older members pass.
I don't care if I ever hear another "HELL MARY" in my life, not sure why these Catholics are so pissed at her anyway....
But, talk about a family gathering, it brings ALL of them out.
Drinking beer in their lowriders in the parking lot, and all....
I tell them the crime rate drops in town when one of the old folks die!  Grin

They call me Don Loco Gringo  Wink
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Reply #25 - 08/24/16 at 21:09:34
 
Ray: "Hovis and Bot chided me with retorting that doesn't mean squat,"

Are you comparing visiting relatives in SoCal from maybe Washington state, to spending months in a different continent with a different religion, different language, working for the locals, learning a bit of their religion, based in the very 'heartland' that you guys call the 'Holy Land' ?

Ray, to be honest, I don't think you get 'proportional samples'...

PS. @pg. PM me  Wink
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Reply #26 - 08/24/16 at 21:36:21
 
Anyone who didn't understand the point about
Chumming the water?
Really?
We made the likelihood GREATER ..
Nothing quite like teaching them how to get money.
Why do you Think
POLICY has been
Never deal with anyone who is holding hostages.

Why did it take so long back when they took the embassy?

Does anyone else know Why they took the embassy?
It was retribution for something we did.


I've been around Iranians. They were going to Odessa College when I was, during the Iranian crisis.
During that time they referred to themselves as Persian.

There were a bunch of them in Biloxi when I was stationed there
We were Trying to train them to fly. To say that they weren't exactly natural at it would be very kind.

Your association with a few Iranians is as meaningful as mine. The people who you met Weren't the ones who are In the news.
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Reply #27 - 08/24/16 at 22:00:44
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege

"The people who you met Weren't the ones who are In the news. "

The people that the News told you about from 5000 miles away is more accurate?

Believe the News on US TV, or go there and live in the region.....

And Jog talks about sheep  Sad
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Reply #28 - 08/24/16 at 22:29:00
 
Having met a couple of Mexicans once,.. is not the same as living in Mexico...
Same for Middle Eastern cultures...

I've met both,... my two best friends of 30+ years, are Mexican and Lebanese...
... and I know enough to know what I don't know... Undecided

What I know more universally is,.. most humans just want to feel safe, secure, and comfortable,... have friendships, and love, and peace...
Then, there are the nuts....
...and we all have our nuts...
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Reply #29 - 08/24/16 at 22:57:39
 
@Bot, they know how to cook lamb  Wink  Cool
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