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savagerider

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Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery In
08/14/16 at 10:20:56

Hey guys,

I went riding around 10 days ago or so (at most.) Everything was fine. I went to go start it the other day, no dice. Not even the Neutral light is coming on. I thought maybe I put it in PE instead of off and the battery is drained. The battery was pretty old so I decided to buy a new one.

I just put the new battery in. I got an OEM one from cheapcycleparts.com and just installed it. Nothing, still no neutral light.

Thinking that its just a new battery and needs a new charge, I hooked it up to my trickle charger. (http://www.duracellpower.com/battery-chargers/battery-chargers/6-amp-battery-...)

However, the trickle charger indicator is blinking red (which means short circuit) or something. Both the Pos and Neg ends are clipped with the Alligator ends, and are for sure in the right position. But it is still blinking red.

Any ideas what could be wrong?

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Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery
Reply #1 - 08/14/16 at 12:49:59

You need a voltmeter to test the battery and see if it has any voltage. If you don't have one, take the battery to an auto parts store and have it tested.

Did the battery come already filled with fluid and charged? All the batteries that I have bought recently have been dry, and needed to have the acid added.

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Reply #2 - 08/14/16 at 12:53:25

Hey Dave,

I bought the battery from cheapcycleparts.com and it is an OEM battery replacement. Nothing special. As far as I could tell it didn't come with anything else. Just the battery (some screws) and it was already filled to the top.

I am not sure if the battery came charged or not. I have it installed in the bike, with a trickle charger connected to it now. It is flashing "red" for short circuit issues. I am not sure what that means or how to go about diagnosing/fixing that.

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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery Reply #3 - 08/14/16 at 13:23:37 Savagerider, If your trickle charger is a battery tender flashing red is open circuit. Check your connections. It could also be an open circuit battery, I have seen that on die-easy batteries from you know where.
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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery Reply #4 - 08/14/16 at 13:36:07 Savagerider, You did check your fuses didn't you?
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savagerider Ex Member	Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery Reply #5 - 08/14/16 at 14:26:46 I did check the fuse, and as far as I can tell everything is connected and plugged in. Is there something specific I should be looking for?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery Reply #6 - 08/14/16 at 14:33:22 Takes a Seriously DEAD Bat Tree to not even have a neutral light. I'd hafta look at the connectors under the tank, if that's a No Joy moment, then a volt ohm meter is a reasonable investment. You Could try to jump it with a car.. Hook up the cables and Still don't have lights, pull the tank.
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Reply #7 - 08/14/16 at 14:43:44

You have to be certain that the battery is putting out voltage. Otherwise no lights of any kind will come on. I have seen batteries die instantly with an open circuit condition. In your case two batteries are involved so it seems likely that something obvious is causing your problem.

Do you have a voltmeter? I have one and it gets used all the time. Worth its weight in gold so to speak.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery Reply #8 - 08/14/16 at 14:52:29 If the symptoms are identical with two batteries being installed, what are the odds that they are equally discharged?
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Reply #9 - 08/15/16 at 10:29:55

I'd get a voltmeter and make sure the polarity on the chargrer isn't reversed ,you may be trying to hook up the charger backward and that's giving you the red light. try reverseing the leads ,the charger has a circuit breaker you won't hirt it or the battery.......You might check the neutral light wire ,it comes from the back of the clutch side cover near the oil siteglass and is just a ground wire .

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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery Reply #10 - 08/15/16 at 13:01:54 Savagerider, I have looked at my wiring diagram and the only thing that comes to mind is the fuses. For you to have two completely flat batteries is highly unlikely. If you have something un-plugged that is another matter.
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Re: Won't Start, No Neutral Light, but new Battery
Reply #11 - 08/15/16 at 13:39:25

Ok, believe it or not, there's a constantly connected device on the savage.

While it's not prone to failure, it does.

It's the decomp controller.

And sometimes is fills up with water or just enough for a couple of components to go bad.

I guess that's why it's mounted where it's mounted... on top of the carb with the connector pointed slightly down.

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Reply #12 - 08/17/16 at 16:19:35

Alright small update. It is definitely not the battery that is the issue. It is definitely the wiring some where. I have the seat off and I checked my fuses. They look good still and there are no issues there.

Everything is plugged in, but I have no idea what could possibly be wrong. I know it is definitely an electrical problem but I have no idea how to pinpoint and identify what the root of the issue is.

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Reply #13 - 08/17/16 at 16:25:48

Put hands on every connector. Especially and first among them, those under the tank. If they are together, take them apart, study them, eyeballs like lasers, and inspect the tabs and slots. Dialectric grease is good stuff.
That's the easiest and first step.

You say the cfuses look good. How certain of that are you?

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