WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/16 at 05:02:56:So pointing out a few terrorists actions, but you left off Dylan Roof, Tim McVeigh, the Unibomber, Charles Manson, etc.... so does a few bad apples prove your point when we 'native' Americans do at leasts as bad already?No, doesn’t prove your point or disprove mine. I can’t pick my family, but I can pick who I let in my house. You do the same I’m sure. The idea that we must have immigration as some type of testimony as to ‘who we are’ is wrong.
The way you put it with the emphasis on "countries" and not "religion" that's more palatable. But still kinda stinks of discrimination and at the same time it validates the terrorists efforts, you know, making you afraid and allI’m sorry, I wasn’t clear. Let me remove any doubt: A) No Muslim immigrants from countries with clear ties to extreme terrorist activities. B) From any other country, a very heighten and extra comprehensive background check on any Muslim immigrant applying for entry.
Here, try this on for size. Imagine a few European countries had a resurgence of Nazism. Imagine they talked about Nazism as a religion of peace, that a few skinheads didn’t represent true Nazism which was simply a series of believes including anyone not a Nazi was classified as an infidel. Now imagine some came here illegally and began shooting predominantly black or Jewish areas of the country. (Forget Jewish areas, you guys wouldn’t care about that….) So, if that happened, are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me you welcome all skinheads with open arms? That our nation’s borders were just lines on a map, not real boarders?
well this here "you liberal" isn't terrified of the 2nd amendment, and I don't have a problem with reasonable controls either, a simple registration system would curtail a lot of straw purchases of guns, it could be done on a state wide system, not federal, idk, yes, there's problems with that idea but I'm not against trying out some things. and if they go too far, there's a vote every 2 years.200 murders in St. Louis last year. How many by guns bought by 'straw purchases'?
I don't think FORCING someone to see a sonogram is necessary to the abortion process. it's the forcing part that gets me on that, I think that's overreaching.But forcing the Catholic Church to disregard centuries of deep held beliefs and pony up for abortion pills is not overreaching???
I don't get to speak in public arenas either, no one knows who the hell I am, I wish the same was true with Ann Coulter, she's a narrow-minded fear/drama queen, I think the bleach from her hair dye is getting to her brain. Just another conservative who doesn't get nuance and evolution of ideas through time.
Stats are hard to find and many are complicated for some reason, breaking down this and that until it's all way too confusing, but the Wall Street Journal reports that 40% of illegal immigrants are from overstaying their visas ( http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323916304578404960101110032 ) So I guess it's not the main way, but still a pretty big chunk. so I guess that's like 4.5 million illegals because of visas. I’m not sure of the numbers either but we’re splitting hairs. I’m going out on a limb here but I’m guessing the number of people capable of supporting themselves for six months on a ‘6 month tourist visa’ is pretty small. They are illegal immigrants who happen to be a little smarter than those who swim a river or jump a fence. (I’m sorry, I mean cross that imaginary national line which doesn’t define us any way…..)
Web, the inline formatting is nice, but I'm not going to be able to keep doing that, going to be some majorly long posts
There's a big green statue that might disagree with you
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
and with immigration, we wouldn't be here, America, as we know it today, was FOUNDED by immigrants, immigrants that didn't need any paperwork to come here either, so yes, our immigration policy very much reflects who we were and who we are and who we are willing to become. Notice that poem doesn't say give me your rich, give me your smartest....
The idea of America is that anyone, regardless of class, status, etc... can make a better life HERE, legal and illegal immigrants here are proving that daily!
The stats I found on straw purchases indicate that around 40-50% of guns used in a crime are illegally obtained in straw purchases, again, stats are kinda hard to find and are often on biased sites, like the Brady campaign site, or pro gun sites, both with opposing stats.
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