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Re: Chains?
Reply #31 - 08/06/16 at 07:19:57

If you must use a standard chain, have a look at a gadget called a Scottoiler. Users swear by them but they're not cheap as such. Then you can use up your old engine oil. And get used to chain cleaning.
Life is so much easier with a sealed chain though.
FWIW I'm one of those who uses a wd40 type product on my sealed chain. Actually a locally made product called Inox. I haven't needed to adjust my chain in 20,000km. I did replace the cheap oem Indian made chain at 10,000km due to master link failure that was caused by dry assembly at the factory but neither it nor the DID replacement needed adjustments so far. Touch wood.

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SavageMan99 Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 391	Re: Chains? Reply #32 - 08/06/16 at 08:20:40 Chainsaw bar oil is a high tack, mix atf w acetone and put it in it to soak and penetrate might help. Acetone evaperates and atf stays. I used to soak my chain after a good cleaning. I'm going to give the belt a good try tho, I like low keep and longevity.
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5106 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Chains? Reply #33 - 08/06/16 at 09:11:42 Newbee,any gear oil is fine , the soaking is a treatment for new or just washed chains , after that I use a spray on chain lube. I have a Ryca rear sprocket, steel-530-52 tooth , installed it but never ran a chain on it so its new and have no plans of using it.
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Re: Chains?
Reply #34 - 08/06/16 at 09:30:56

O-ring chains are supposed to have the lube oil permanently sealed behind the o-rings...
External oiling is for cleaning purposes. and don't use any abrasive scubbers that can damage the o-rings... ..or, penetrants that can get past the o-rings...

I don't like them much,.. as I had an o-ring chain lock up on me...
Grated,... it was a DP bike... (they don't like dirt).

Also,.. many chain waxes lubes are tacky,.. in order to not get flung off...
This ain't so good for dirt either...

If you ride 99% street, and don't live in a dusty area,.. I suppose they are okay...
Not here... Huh

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Reply #35 - 08/06/16 at 10:24:18

My Dad dropped his Shadow in the mud yesterday evening. Still can't get the thing to run right. I rode it down the mountain for a test run. We both took turns pushing it down the road to the neighbor's house as we couldn't get it to run well enough to get it back up the mountain.

That Savage engine regularly gets caked with mud. So, yeah, no stupid expensive sealed chain for me. Wink

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Re: Chains?
Reply #36 - 08/06/16 at 10:37:59

SavageMan99 wrote on 08/06/16 at 08:20:40:

Chainsaw bar oil is a high tack, mix atf w acetone and put it in it to soak and penetrate might help. Acetone evaperates and atf stays. I used to soak my chain after a good cleaning. I'm going to give the belt a good try tho, I like low keep and longevity.

ATF and acetone... That might have crossed my mind before. I guess I was concerned about the acetone not evaporating or causing a problem. I don't know. Undecided

I could mix in some zddp for some extreme pressure protection. Might help with safety. Hey, that's what used oil is good for. Dad poured in quite a bit of that stuff into my car mixed with T6 synthetic. That would be some high quality used oil there. Wink

Gotta wait till oil change time.

So many choices... Smiley

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Re: Chains?
Reply #37 - 08/06/16 at 10:42:16

Serowbot wrote on 08/06/16 at 09:30:56:

O-ring chains are supposed to have the lube oil permanently sealed behind the o-rings...
External oiling is for cleaning purposes. and don't use any abrasive scubbers that can damage the o-rings... ..or, penetrants that can get past the o-rings...

I don't like them much,.. as I had an o-ring chain lock up on me...
Grated,... it was a DP bike... (they don't like dirt).

Also,.. many chain waxes lubes are tacky,.. in order to not get flung off...
This ain't so good for dirt either...

If you ride 99% street, and don't live in a dusty area,.. I suppose they are okay...
Not here... Huh

Did that unruly chain cause you to wreck? Huh

Hmmm... I reckon beeswax is better for wet places compared to paraffin, right? Now, I just need to get those darned bees to make me some wax-- chop--chop! Cheesy

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Re: Chains?
Reply #38 - 08/06/16 at 10:46:57

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/06/16 at 07:17:12:

Do you know how to install the master link properly?

I used a bicycle chain breaker once....

Huh

Uhh... Well... No, I don't really know.

I'm guessing I need to buy a big chain breaker to handle mc chains? These common master links... Are they easy to remove? Is the chain breaker just for shortening or lengthening chains or does the master link require pressing as well? What could I do wrong? Fill me in.

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Chains? Reply #39 - 08/06/16 at 10:48:33 I think Dad just answered part of my question. He said he had a chain breaker big enough to do it, and he said the master links don't need pressing.
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Reply #40 - 08/06/16 at 11:00:08

Now here's a crazy new idea:

Take some of that really concentrated zddp additive and brush it onto the chain and sprockets. Wonder if it would harm the chain or help it. Do ya think the chain would benefit from the extreme pressure lubrication? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ej38hcg6Y

The chain/sprocket system could really use this idea of a microscopic sacrificial boundary layer or whatever it is that keeps the chain slick and protected under extreme pressure even when it's nearly dry of oil. Now just mix in some moly with that, and you've got greased lightnin' Wink

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Chains? Reply #41 - 08/06/16 at 11:10:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6NXXLZA3A Yay! I'm learning how ZDDP works! Now I wonder about using ATF with all it's detergent. I wonder if ZDDP will work properly under low temperatures (chain operating temps).
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Chains? Reply #42 - 08/06/16 at 11:37:21 MC chains are not a loop.A master link needs to be installed so the backbone of the clip is travelling forward. No chain breaker needed.
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Chains? Reply #43 - 08/06/16 at 13:06:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1YJ8Hf-RIk Okay, Wasn't sure which way was the "backbone." Got it now. Thanks.
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Chains? Reply #44 - 08/06/16 at 13:11:31 This guy says master links are pressed. A different type? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQBH0HkiM8 Okay...this is for o-ring chain specifically? Boy, those sealed chains are troublesome, aren't they.
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