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Bike stopped working after oil change (Read 359 times)
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
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07/21/16 at 13:00:14
kecuki wrote
on 07/21/16 at 12:13:41:
Hi guys. Thanks for all of the answers.
I put ~2 quarts, it's little below the "minimum" line if I check through the window, but I didn't run it enough to warm it up properly.
I didn't touch anything else. Bike is in dry garage, didn't hose it.
When I start it up, it runs and sounds ok, apart for the white smoke after while and terrible smell. Riding on 1st gear with no throttle for less than 20yards was ok too, but adding throttle caused coughing and almost stall, not good noises too. I shut it off immediately after that.
Bike is 1999, Ryca build, ODO says 700 miles but that's not the real mileage. I bought it used from decent looking guy who built it.
When you did the oil change did the oil have a fuel smell?
If the petcock is in fact bad fuel will leak past the rings and contaminate the oil. The fuel in the oil will burn-off at a very low temperature, causing smoke.
The petcock mod is probably a good move because it's a matter of when it will fail, not if.
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07/21/16 at 14:03:32
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100 miles since I bought it. I still have the original petcock, as I was not home last 2 weeks, so I didn't get around to change it, nor I was riding. I only changed the oil. After change, I tried petcock in different positions, no effect.
If the diaphragm has failed, it will flood the intake with gas causing the white smoke. Keep tabs on the oil level cause gas will get in there and dilute the oil.
Do the petcock test!
check the vac line for gas.
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
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07/21/16 at 14:51:20
Save trouble,swap petcock, change oil, know that engine is safe.
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
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07/31/16 at 17:48:35
So I finally got around to check my bike again and to do the petcock test (I travel a lot). First, I idled the bike on stand for a while and rode it slowly on 1st gear without throttle less than 20 yards (3 minutes top) to warm it up and to check the oil level. There was no smoke, but bike smelled bad. I put mirror to the exhaust end and there was nothing on the mirror. Right before I shut it off (or after I did it), there was a little of white smoke coming out. As the smell was getting really bad, I didn't do the petcock test. This is how the oil looked like through the window:
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07/31/16 at 17:54:45
It's either foaming, or is contaminated.
doe it look brown? water.
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
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07/31/16 at 17:55:57
water from where? bike was nowhere near water.
Would that explain the bad smell? And the other symptoms?
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Reply #21 -
07/31/16 at 18:00:55
The bad smell is probably your pipe wrap... it does that.
It shouldn't be foaming at that level.
is that vertical or on the KS?
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
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07/31/16 at 18:08:58
It's as vertical as I could hold it. You might be right about the pipe wrap, it's not the cleanest one.
I just realized I changed the decompression lever linkage 2 weeks before changing the oil... Might that be related?
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07/31/16 at 18:09:06
First, I idled the bike on stand for a while
That's not a good plan.
The cam starves for oil.
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Reply #24 -
07/31/16 at 18:10:13
a while = 30 seconds on the stand
justin_o_guy2 wrote
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First, I idled the bike on stand for a while
That's not a good plan.
The cam starves for oil.
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07/31/16 at 21:02:35
IIRC, the decomposition is only needed to relieve pressure so the cylinder can start moving to crank, and after that it serves no purpose when the bike us running. It may be possible that you have a linkage too short letting pressure leak out or air and moisture in, but that's just me spitballing because I don't see how that would cause smoking unless water or moisture was getting in there.
I would make sure the decomp isn't stuck open or something like that just to rule it out.
I don't know how pipe wrap works, but if it is new and uses that glue stuff like comes with exhaust repair kits could some of it have dripped into the header/muffler joint and it burning out?
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
Reply #26 -
08/01/16 at 11:50:43
Pipe wrap wouldn't cause the bike to sputter and stall when the throttle is opened up though...
I'm curious how a petcock would allow fuel to get into the oil. Does it completely flood the carb and let fuel flow into the motor?
If there's a situation with improper combustion wouldn't this show on the sparkplug? It seems like something that would be easy to check.
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
Reply #27 -
08/01/16 at 12:10:48
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I'm curious how a petcock would allow fuel to get into the oil. Does it completely flood the carb and let fuel flow into the motor?
There are 2 paths... thru the carb and thru the vac line.
Thru the carb means the float valve is bad or leaking.
Thru the vac line occurs when the petcock diaphragm has failed.
this leaks into the vac port of the carb and into the intake.
In both cases, depending on the slant of the bike, it could go into the airbox or engine. once in the engine it will go past the rings and into the case.
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
Reply #28 -
08/01/16 at 14:56:26
Let's face it your "good looking guy " might have been smart enough to read the ryra instructions,and put the bike together but he didn't know enough to about savages to put a raptor on it,he put the petcock on prime and sold it to you !For less than $30 he he could have had it running right!
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Re: Bike stopped working after oil change
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08/01/16 at 15:29:59
It's Okay if you don't understand. But to choose to ignore people who have years of experience and know what the OEM Petcock does, isn't okay. Oil is cheap, the petcock is easy to swap.
Don't buy the cheapest one online. You Will get what you pay for.
Get a real one.
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