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Reply #30 - 07/15/16 at 11:06:36
 
Population of Australia is half of California......
Just exactly what did they do?

There's a little thing called the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. Heller case already affirmed right to own a gun. I don't think you can count on court to toss out ammunition.....

Sawed off shotguns vanished because other weapons replaced them. Get rid of semi autos but keep shotguns for hunting and they'll return.

I'm off on a trip so catch in later. Make your best case. Make it realistic.
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Reply #31 - 07/15/16 at 11:17:32
 
WELL, first, if stopping Death is making things Better
How about addressing the SCIENCE?
Heart disease, and suicide, let's cut those by half.
That's at least Possible.

While we are at that,let's Continue to follow the
Science...

So far, everywhere gun control laws were relaxed, violent crime dropped.

Why do you not see that?

That you own more guns than I do doesn't make your willingness to surrender them somehow bolster your position. It's just confusing to see someone who is so willing to surrender your ability to defend yourself in order to believe it's for the greater good and you and everyone else will be safer.

Really? And the illegals who traipse through can't also carry a gun into the country?
Just HOW, with people and drugs pouring across the border, do you believe that Guns will magically NOT?
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Reply #32 - 07/15/16 at 11:21:36
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/15/16 at 11:06:36:
There's a little thing called the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.


Web,.. that's JOG's job... Huh
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Reply #33 - 07/15/16 at 11:26:09
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/15/16 at 11:17:32:
WELL, first, if stopping Death is making things Better
How about addressing the SCIENCE?
Heart disease, and suicide, let's cut those by half.
That's at least Possible.

While we are at that,let's Continue to follow the
Science...

So far, everywhere gun control laws were relaxed, violent crime dropped.

Why do you not see that?

That you own more guns than I do doesn't make your willingness to surrender them somehow bolster your position. It's just confusing to see someone who is so willing to surrender your ability to defend yourself in order to believe it's for the greater good and you and everyone else will be safer.

Really? And the illegals who traipse through can't also carry a gun into the country?
Just HOW, with people and drugs pouring across the border, do you believe that Guns will magically NOT?



They changed the constitution to ban alcohol. Drugs, just an illegal decree.

But, nobody wants to address just How 350 Million guns are gonna disappear, when the very people who LAUGH at the idea of removing the illegals are the ones who say it's possible... Talk about a disconnect.
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Reply #34 - 07/15/16 at 11:49:19
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/15/16 at 10:55:04:
We could do it like Australia did... however that was...
...no need to reinvent the wheel...

There will be no court challenges when I am king... Grin
Seriously, if it were made the law of the land,...  what court challenges?...
Courts uphold the law, they don't make it...

We outlawed sawed-off shotguns,.. now there aren't any... also brass knuckles.. You can't buy'um...
I suppose there still are some... but they are illegal, and hard to find.

Not sayin' I have a perfect solution,... but let's do somethin' to make this situation better instead of worse...

PS.. I own 7 guns myself...(I went on a kick for a while)...
I'm kinda' over it now... Ammo is too pricey...

Hmmm?... charge $1,000 per bullet?... boon to tax revenue... solve the debt... Grin





Uhhh.... Bot...  Undecided I remember some years ago seeing metal knuckles hanging in a little store being sold as a "belt buckle." I think they were made in China.  At least two different styles. I think one was brass, and another steel with spikes. Turns out, when you look up "knuckles belt buckle" on google, you'll find them everywhere.

$1k per bullet wouldn't work. That would cause a black market similar to a ban.

Sawed off shotguns can be made in a few minutes. Roll Eyes Ingredients = shotgun+hacksaw.
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Reply #35 - 07/15/16 at 11:55:20
 
I would  like to ask JOG about these nations that never shoot up each other, like Britain or Japan.   The Japanese seem to view guns differently--and funny thing-- don't the Brits shoot up each other with BB guns more than anything.  Grin
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Reply #36 - 07/15/16 at 11:56:39
 
A tax on bullets to dissuade people from purchasing them is tantamount to banning the gun.Making it prohibitively expensive is prohibition. But, expecting the intellectually dishonest to see,,   well,,
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Reply #37 - 07/15/16 at 13:07:28
 
The ban on primers idea is interesting. That is the one part of a cartridge that both cannot be reused and must be purchased from a manufacturer. I don't know of anyone actually making them by hand. Bot must be aware of the process of handloading.

But then, powder is also normally purchased rather than homemade. There are ways to make primitive black powder, but modern powder?  Undecided At the safe quality used for modern ammunition? Undecided

Primers are more gun specific in use than powder, though. Right?  Undecided

Do you think people everywhere would just start making black market primers? Huh Black market ammunition? Would such a ban be effective in our culture? Bot, can you answer this?
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Reply #38 - 07/15/16 at 14:07:14
 
I'm sure a black market would open up, as it does with anything...
Just as there will always be guns no matter if banned...

Heroin is illegal, but it can be bought.
...but not at WallMart...

...a 90% reduction would have a huge impact on deaths...

Don't nobody panic, or get your knickers in a bunch...
We're just talkin' here.. it ain't happenin'... Grin
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Reply #39 - 07/15/16 at 14:32:01
 
We Know it's not happening.
What I'm trying to do is get you to understand that IF the goal is
More people alive at the end of the year,
Then sufficient evidence exists to demonstrate that
Odds Are we would be ahead to work on the food, diet, mental health, suicide,
And
Further Relax gun legislation.
Everything SHOWS that where guns are least controlled, gun deaths dropped.

Don't expect That to last. The economy is creating desperate people. And
It's looking like there is some concerted effort to cause as much racial tension as possible. There's No Reasonable Justification for All the media to be pumping out the same
Mistakes
Regarding these shootings.
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Reply #40 - 07/15/16 at 14:48:50
 
You have ignored reality 100 times on this topic over the years...

LOCAL GUN LEGISLATION IS DOOMED TO FAILURE...
GUNS SALES ARE JUST 10 MINUTES  TO AN HOUR AWAY...

Any US stat comparisons are ridiculous.. they only show that urban areas have more crime...

In COUNTRIES that have strict guns laws... homicides are reduced...
It is an indisputable fact...
Why,... can be argued... but not that it is...

Anyway...
You can't sift camel through a gnat's butt... so I'm done with this topic... Huh
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Reply #41 - 07/15/16 at 16:02:27
 
I don't know Why or how, but so far, Drugs are not under control. W, UH GAIN, do you believe that Guns, unlike Drugs, or people, or alcohol, can be kept out?
Ohh, I know you know it won't be Perfect...
So Who is going to Have the guns?
The same kinda people who have the drugs, I know..

I know, it's Old, but true
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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Reply #42 - 07/15/16 at 20:01:20
 
Laws.....

I didn't do nothing intentional so I am excused, right  Roll Eyes
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