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Reply #60 - 07/18/16 at 21:55:30
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/18/16 at 20:59:37:
1st thing to do is get the easy out... out.
pay attention to that youtube that was posted... go get some pcb carbide drills


Sounds like a plan. Smiley
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Reply #61 - 07/18/16 at 21:59:46
 
hotprops wrote on 07/18/16 at 21:33:58:
how much of said bolt is still exposed,enough to weld on a proper size nut and prey?


Zilch... Not applicable. Take a look at the video. All gone now. Might have been an option at first, but not anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ZRc0smdbA


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Reply #62 - 07/18/16 at 22:07:35
 
EZ OUTS just crush the hollowed out bolt into the threads its screwed into. You should have just grabbed a bigger bit and kept drilling out till you could tap it.
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Reply #63 - 07/19/16 at 08:05:16
 
If that's so, I can be even more sure that the only way that bolt's comin' out is in little bitty shreds. Fat chance I'll be re-tapping and installing a helicoil. I planned that anyway.

I swear I'll drench every exhaust bolt I see till it's dripping with anti-seize. One thing you've gotta do on this bike is be able to remove the exhaust manifold for servicing the clutch side bottom end. On any bike, you need to be able to remove the manifold.
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Reply #64 - 07/19/16 at 13:24:54
 
Someone referred to a reverse thread drill bit, actually I think it is simply called a left handed drill bit.  You do have to run a standard power drill in reverse to use it.  They are good as a first tool to use when drilling out a broken off bolt.  With the drill sinking down into the old bolt and spinning to the left the broken bolt often unscrews itself and the job is done.  The left hand bits usually are not in hardware store, you have to order them.

But the best way is EDM.  If you can find a small (and compassionate) machine shop you might get it done at a reasonable price but you would have to take the head off.
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Reply #65 - 07/19/16 at 18:56:48
 
I kinda plan on taking the head off. These broken bikes and other things in life are stressing me out.  Sad That Honda Shadow drove me crazy... again. That thing has been almost nothing but trouble. But that's for another thread. I started to pull the motor this evening after losing my sanity on that Shadow, but there were too many troublesome things to worry with. I'm sure it's not terribly difficult, for the most part, as long as I can get that front pulley nut loose. Undecided
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Reply #66 - 08/07/16 at 19:05:14
 
Got the engine out. I'm going to pull the cover and check the cam chain in the morning. I'm going to try to get with a mechanic neighbor and try to get a good deal with a local machinist on that head bolt. I wanna get this thing back together and ride. Screw trying to prove something... unless it's way too expensive... but then... I already have someone who will supposedly do it for maybe $75. I've got nothing... and I mean nothing as far as bikes... to ride. Can't get that Shadow to run right. I may be tearing that thing apart and putting it back together from now till kingdom come.


I'd like to get some of that molten metal replaced, but that might be expensive. Should I be concerned? We have welders galore. Even a TIG welder. Never tried it out. Just don't have experience. And good luck getting anything worthwhile out of that old coal miner of mine.  Roll Eyes
I'm going to take the whole motor to that machinist and ask if he can safely and effectively do the job without pulling the head. If I don't have to pull the head, I might be able to avoid spending $36 on a new head gasket.


I would like to remove the head bolts, anti-seize them and retorque them. I sure don't want to let that thing age and seize those bolts too. I'd guess there's already antiseize in there from the factory, but... :shoulder shrug:

I will be able to remove one bolt at a time and re-torque without breaking the seal, right??? I seem to recall that you can do that. Didn't someone here talk about that? Probably in the tech documents about that head plug thingy.

Wouldn't this be a good time to adjust the valves??? Can it be done in a few minutes? Do I need to worry about the gaskets?

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Reply #67 - 08/07/16 at 19:22:07
 
Oh, wait, I just remembered that the head looked greasy, like it was leaking a little around the lower valve cover or something.
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Reply #68 - 08/07/16 at 20:51:42
 
If I was your local machinist and you brought me something to repair that YOU'd ruined, then tried to screw me down on price, I'd tell you to F... Off and fix it yourself. You'd pay my price and if you kept arguing I'd shove the cylinder head up your arse.
Beggars can't be choosers, unfortunately.
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Reply #69 - 08/07/16 at 21:49:47
 
That's some good advice there gizzo. Painful, but potentially useful. I should probably be careful dealing with this person.

I wonder, though... So many people are stuck on minimum wage and other low incomes, but these professionals think they have to have awful amounts of money or they'll go broke, even if their stuff is paid for and their overhead low. And they can't stand it if they don't get that much. What, is it that they feel they can make more money somewhere else? They can't imagine making minimum wage at their own business? Pride?Many poor people would be happy to get $10 an hour, much less $45 or more. Now $45 isn't too bad for a basic mechanic. It's probably the going rate. Don't know what the machinist charges. If he goes wanting $75-$100 an hour and ends up playing around till he asks hundreds This stingy little stinker ain't gonna be happy. Angry If a fellow is good at something and want's that much for his services, he must not enjoy doing it that much.

Beggars... Ha... I'm not gonna be happy to do it myself, but, I'll tell you it isn't out of the question. And besides, I already have a quote (probably not a promise) of $75. He has to compete with that. That's how economics works, buddy--competition. He has to compete with the other guy and myself on price. This thing is a mutual agreement. In sucky monopolies, businesses get to charge whatever the heck they want to, even to the point that everyone wants to run them out of town with pitchforks, especially if it's a necessary commodity. Am I right? Huh Competition makes the world go round. It can also make life hard when you have a hard time competing. If one fellow can't do the best job for the best price, someone else will. If he's a hard workin' man who likes to cut metal, he'll do it for a fair price. Not necessarily an insulting price, but he'll be willing to work for his money.

Telling someone to F off because they don't want to pay Donald Trump's salary is not a way to earn someone's business. And, yes, I'm stingy and tend to DIY, painful as it is. I reckon the lot of people on this forum are the same way. We're warned on this forum to stay away from so-called "stealerships."
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Reply #70 - 08/08/16 at 02:57:39
 
OK. first of all, how do we know whether his premisis and equipment are paid for? We have no idea of his overheads. He has loan repayments, staff wages, workcover expenses, utilities and all the rest.
Second: Pride has it's place. If he's a good engineer, he's worked hard to get where he is and deserves to be paid fairly for his skills. That's no different to a dentist or a lawer. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys, right? He didn't get into business in order to do people favours, he wants to make a decent living. Even if he does love what he's doing.
Third: the poor people may well be happy to get $10 an hour. But they haven't invested huge amounts of effort and money into establishing a business to earn a living. Your idea of a fair price doesn't sound very fair to him.
Fourth: your right about competiton. No ones forcing you to accept his services and you're within your rights to shop around, of course. If someone else can do the job cheaper, too bad for him and good luck to you. And if you have a quote for $75, that's what he ought to do it for.
I wouldn't tell everyone who asked for a deal where to go. Just those ones who act as if they're entitled to it. And I have done. No biggie to me.
I like to DIY it sa much as I can, too. But sometimes you just have to stump up the cash to get the job done right.
You're reminding me of the guy who brought me a 5 speed landcruiser gearbox in a hessian sack in a million bits and expected me to do it for cheap because he'd already done half the work. Yeah right  Roll Eyes.

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Reply #71 - 08/08/16 at 07:26:55
 
When I used to do auto repair on the side, one fellow asked me for a quote to do his brakes
I told him my price, which was a fair compromise between shop rates and what a typical shop pays their mechanics (NOT $45 an hour)
His response was he could get a crackhead to do it for $10
I said "Good for you, good luck getting your money back when you have to pay a real tech to fix what he crappity smacked up"
fair pay has nothing to do with what your client makes per hour, it has everything to do with Fair Market Value
If you want price controlled everything, move to a socialist country
You'll likely get better pay yourself, as well, untill their economy collapses
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Reply #72 - 08/08/16 at 08:35:16
 
Don't Harley mechanics make $10 an hour entry-level? And have to buy many of their own tools? AND they have to have spent massive amounts of money to go to some school beforehand? :cough MMI cough:  I wonder how quickly these guys get their big pay raises?

BTW, I don't think my politics would be considered very socialist, if you follow me in the TT.

Yeah, the poor are vulnerable to socialism/marxism. I guess my words may have a hint of that state of mind.

Well, at least minimum wage is not my only way of living. I still have support.
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Reply #73 - 08/08/16 at 09:30:53
 
Getting treated nice by a professional who Could charge you an arm and a leg is not hard. I do it all the time. The attitude is everything. Go in demanding and being suspicious and see how it goes.
Or, remember that you are asking for help, and you've willing to wait while he takes care of others. An offer to sweep the floor, generally help out, never hurts. Be dressed and ready for it.

How to explain why it's such a mess?

You're probably gonna need to make dad the goat..
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Reply #74 - 08/08/16 at 12:22:57
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/08/16 at 09:30:53:
Getting treated nice by a professional who Could charge you an arm and a leg is not hard. I do it all the time. The attitude is everything. Go in demanding and being suspicious and see how it goes.
Or, remember that you are asking for help, and you've willing to wait while he takes care of others. An offer to sweep the floor, generally help out, never hurts. Be dressed like a girl and ready for it.

How to explain why it's such a mess?

You're probably gonna need to make dad the goat..



You mean I need a tuxedo for handling a greasy motor?  Grin Nah... A old  t-shirt and greasy pants should do the job... If he thinks I'm white trash for dressing in work clothes, well, then, we have other issues. I can't say I'm the " dress to impress" type these days.


But then, if you're referring to not coming dressed in shorts or something that's unfit nasty work,  then, yeah... you may have a point.
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