Sorry, but I sit and shake my head with slight amazed befuddlement......
At folks like JOG and Bot.

It seems they are bookends without realizing their views, beliefs, and actions is what is holding up their "hate" of Trump and Hillary.

In all honesty, I don't think either really hate them, not in an evil way, that's for sure...
But in the same vein as those who oppose Obama or Rush.
Can you really hate something unless your intimate with its target?

Can we say hate is the absence of love?

It is a strange year for sure, we are witnessing the dismantling of the old guards, the elistist conservative who make the rules to empower their lot, and the limousine liberal, who uses victims to capture their power, then ride along with the conservatives to the bank to cash their checks!

It seems Sander's is exposing the fallacy of the left, and we see how shallow the party established roots really are, yet....
Unless the FBI and AG interven, she will be their candidate.

I don't for a second think either finalist hate their country, or their opposition....
Their internal conflict of hipocracies would eat them up...
Sure, it's a self imposed burden they freely accepted, but it is nothing unique or novel.
I dare say maybe those with a critical view of our democracy and enflunce on worldly issues, sees it better than we do....

Finally, this country has been ripped apart by civil wars and world wars, and yet she stands to this day as testimony.
We will survive either presidecies too!

WebsterMark wrote on 05/24/16 at 05:32:20:



Thanks Web, awesome response!
I think you framed my question better, you must love first, before you can hate....
Is that the context you use?

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I don't think there is any question about that. The real question is what kind of a country will we have after four or eight years of either of the likely choices.

A right wing despot or a left wing despot is still a despot. A tyranny that is democratically elected is still a tyranny.

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

-H.L. Mencken

We will survive either presidecies too!


Please define survive...  

Best regards,

Web, patriotic is a word that has lost its original meaning....
And I might add, it's prolly a good thing.

You see how Hillary remarked it was patriotic to be at odds with s sitting president, Bush....
Yet, I will bet dollars to donuts if she wins, and Rush voices any opposition to her policies, it will be because he is a sexist pig....
Sorry bacon lovers  

Or how it was used in advertising as a Buy American ploy, or union pitch to keep from its ever dwindling membership, etc.

I will tell you what I think the words mean....
I think it's is best exampled by those who fought and died, or scarred, in battle to ensure ALL might have a life free from tyranny, not just those use the same bathroom  

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/16 at 08:27:31:


JOG...... I think you said you own/buying your house.
So, are you free from the driving influences that have led to the causes of the things you exampled?

I have yet met a person who is selling their house to say, hey, it's not worth that much, offer me less to be fair.
A home/house in the very foundation upon where Americana shines its greatest, personal property.....

Or....

Do you exempt yourself for a just cause?  

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No idea. I'm pretty sure that whether we elect the Wicked Witch from Little Rock or the Joker from Gotham isn't going to stretch it out any though. Once the ball starts rolling downhill it just keeps picking up speed till it flies over the edge of the cliff or hits a tree.

I've seen some countries come apart at the seams pretty quick.No reason that couldn't happen here under the right combination of events.

We had a good man. A peanut framer, A man who brought peace to the middle east ,Instead of war, A man who didn't spend the tax payers money after he retired but builds them homes .HE COULD'T GET REELECTED!