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05/13/16 at 19:30:52
 
By MICHAEL BLOOMBERG and  CHARLES KOCH
May 12, 2016

During college commencement season, it is traditional for speakers to offer words of advice to the graduating class. But this year the two of us—who don’t see eye to eye on every issue—believe that the most urgent advice we can offer is actually to college presidents, boards, administrators and faculty.

Our advice is this: Stop stifling free speech and coddling intolerance for controversial ideas, which are crucial to a college education—as well as to human happiness and progress.

Across America, college campuses are increasingly sanctioning so-called “safe spaces,” “speech codes,” “trigger warnings,” “microaggressions” and the withdrawal of invitations to controversial speakers. By doing so, colleges are creating a climate of intellectual conformity that discourages open inquiry, debate and true learning. Students and professors who dare challenge this climate, or who accidentally run afoul of it, can face derision, contempt, ostracism—and sometimes even official sanctions.

The examples are legion. The University of California considers statements such as “America is the land of opportunity” and “everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough” to be microaggressions that faculty should avoid. The roll of disinvited campus speakers in recent years continues to grow, with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education identifying 18 attempts to intimidate speakers so far this year, 11 of which have been successful. The list includes former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who is scheduled to give the commencement address at Scripps College this weekend. Student protests have vilified her as a “genocide enabler” and 28 professors have signed a letter stating they will refuse to attend.

Colleges are increasingly shielding students from any idea that could cause discomfort or offense. Yet without the freedom to offend, freedom of expression, as author Salman Rushdie once observed, “ceases to exist.” And as Frederick Douglass said in 1860: “To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.”


When a professor last year decided to write online about the trend toward intolerance on campuses, he did so under a pseudonym out of fear of a backlash. “The student-teacher dynamic,” he wrote, “has been reenvisioned along a line that’s simultaneously consumerist and hyper-protective, giving each and every student the ability to claim Grievous Harm in nearly any circumstance, after any affront.”

We believe that this new dynamic, which is doing a terrible disservice to students, threatens not only the future of higher education, but also the very fabric of a free and democratic society. The purpose of a college education isn’t to reaffirm students’ beliefs, it is to challenge, expand and refine them—and to send students into the world with minds that are open and questioning, not closed and self-righteous. This helps young people discover their talents and prepare them for citizenship in a diverse, pluralistic democratic society. American society is not always a comfortable place to be; the college campus shouldn’t be, either.

Education is also supposed to give students the tools they need to contribute to human progress. Through open inquiry and a respectful exchange of ideas, students can discover new ways to help others improve their lives.

The importance of such inquiry is obvious in science. Thanks to the freedom to make and test hypotheses, we have discovered that the Earth is round, how gravity works, the theory of relativity, and many other monumental scientific achievements. The ability to challenge the status quo leads to unimaginable innovations, advances in material well-being and deeper understandings of the natural world. But this principle doesn’t just apply to biology, chemistry, physics and other scientific fields.

Whether in economics, morality, politics or any other realm of study, progress has always depended upon human beings having the courage to challenge prevailing traditions and beliefs. Many ideas that the majority of Americans now hold dear—including that all people should have equal rights, women deserve the right to vote, and gays and lesbians should be free to marry whom they choose—were once unpopular minority views that many found offensive. They are now widely accepted because people were free to engage in a robust dialogue with their fellow citizens.

We fear that such dialogue is now disappearing on college campuses. As it fades, it will make material and social progress that much harder to achieve. It will also create graduates who are unwilling to tolerate differing opinions—a crisis for a free society. An unwillingness to listen to those with differing opinions is already a serious problem in America’s civic discourse. Unless colleges reverse course, that problem will worsen in the years ahead, with profoundly negative consequences.

Administrators and faculty must do more to encourage a marketplace of ideas where individuals need not fear reprisal, harassment or intimidation for airing controversial opinions. These members of campus leadership would be wise to look at the University of Chicago’s Statement on Principles of Free Expression, which paraphrases the wise words of the university’s former president, Robert M. Hutchins: “without a vibrant commitment to free and open inquiry, a university ceases to be a university.”

The continued march of justice and progress depends on free speech, open minds and rational discourse. Colleges and universities—and those who hold their degrees—have helped lead the way for most of this nation’s history. The well-being of future generations of Americans depends on the preservation of that great legacy.


Why so late to the dance?
Why was this INTOLERANCE, tolerated to the point of this?
It is NOT over yet, example, talk against global warming or the gun rights, yeah......express your ideas, my ARSE!

What say you Bot?
Wait till the pendulum swings the other way then beetch?

Love to hear your thoughts......
Meet me in the girls locker room  Kiss
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Reply #1 - 05/13/16 at 23:18:21
 
“everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough” to be microaggressions that faculty should avoid.


Fail to work hard in my class and the outcome would be failure to pass. Would that be Micro aggressive enough?


Watching the colleges turn into gutlessness central is almost funny. I watched in amazement the childish behavior, a pretty good sized group of people who played role playing games, and that was their life, that and school.. wow,, and now it's SJWs, children in a snit,, toss them out in the oilfield for a few Months, with ditches to dig, bags of cotton seed hulls and mulched paper to mix into the drilling mud, and 90' stands of pipe to handle,  
They would get past the microagressions right pronto.
Those Adren or Childults have been coddled and led to believe that they have the right to never hear what offends them.
Well, if THEY have that right, so do I, and it's Offensive as hell to me to hear that a human being of sufficient age to formulate an opinion is Too crappity smacking gutless to hear any opposing views and defend their position.
They better crawl in that safe space and stay in there.

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Reply #2 - 05/14/16 at 07:11:49
 
Jog, this mindset is epidemic......
However, to be fair, it is not just the left/liberal who are guilty of its practice.
I have seen the organized religion of my faith exhibit the very same mentality.
I have shared of one of my best friends, a Pastor, who said he would not let a Gay couple into his congregation.
We have witnessed the wedding cake debacle where BOTH parties showed no tolerance and acted selfishly......  

My question to all, is our belief so weak, it can not stand a challenge?
Tell me, does that make it stronger?
Perhaps this is why ISIS is so bent on destroying opposition because their belief won't stand an affront of openness and scrutiny?  


You there Bot?
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Reply #3 - 05/14/16 at 11:40:52
 
Re: The cake ordeal

Having someone demand I contract with them while I would choose not to isn't exactly the American way. From a purely constitutional perspective, a business owner should be able to decline services to anyone, for any reason. Of course, they run the risk of going broke, but it IS their business to run as they see fit.
Telling someone they Will provide something as key to a wedding as the cake? That's quite a different thing from someone walking in and buying what's made and in the display.
Would anyone here Want a cake from someone who didn't want to make it? That's kinda twisted. I wonder what was said at the wedding about what a victory they had. I wonder how many places were available that would have gladly made them a very nice cake. I would be a little worried about eating something that I had literally twisted someones arm to get. I wonder if they didn't have another cake,
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Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh...
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Reply #5 - 05/14/16 at 14:35:10
 
Those are pretty old pictures, but it doesn't matter I guess, if it you live in a time warp.
Anyway, it sorta proves that you didn't even read the article Bot, but again, folks don't want to be challenged on their beliefs.
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/14/16 at 11:40:52:
Re: The cake ordeal

Having someone demand I contract with them while I would choose not to isn't exactly the American way. From a purely constitutional perspective, a business owner should be able to decline services to anyone, for any reason. Of course, they run the risk of going broke, but it IS their business to run as they see fit.
Telling someone they Will provide something as key to a wedding as the cake? That's quite a different thing from someone walking in and buying what's made and in the display.
Would anyone here Want a cake from someone who didn't want to make it? That's kinda twisted. I wonder what was said at the wedding about what a victory they had. I wonder how many places were available that would have gladly made them a very nice cake. I would be a little worried about eating something that I had literally twisted someones arm to get. I wonder if they didn't have another cake,  


I think a business is agreeing to not discriminate based on already established criteria, or future ones, as that is part of holding that licence, etc....
The infrastructure to allow a business to operate, roads ,sewers, etc, is paid by government money that was taxed by ALL its citizens, and therefor entitles all to benefit from it....

As I stated, they both acted accordingly to what they hated about the other.
Just as Bot calls Trump names, for calling other, names......

It's crazy.
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Reply #7 - 05/14/16 at 14:58:50
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/14/16 at 11:51:17:


Do you believe white people are responsible for the all the ills of the western world?  Is your disdain for them because white people predominately believe in Christianity?  Is it because it is politically correct to demean them under nearly every circumstance according to left's doctrine?

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hink a business is agreeing to not discriminate based on already established criteria, or future ones, as that is part of holding that licence, etc....
The infrastructure to allow a business to operate, roads ,sewers, etc, is paid by government money that was taxed by ALL its citizens, and therefor entitles all to benefit from it....

As I stated, they both acted accordingly to what they hated about the other.
Just as Bot calls Trump names, for calling other, n



You know what a license is?
It's permission to do what would otherwise be illegal.
The collectivist mentality is nauseating.
The government HAS no Money that it didn't first take.
Most people continue to see the government as the provider.
They are the hired help and using them to wrestle away from your neighbor what if You went and took would see you in jail is wrong. Few grasp real property rights.
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Reply #9 - 05/14/16 at 17:47:38
 
pg wrote on 05/14/16 at 14:58:50:
Serowbot wrote on 05/14/16 at 11:51:17:


Do you believe white people are responsible for the all the ills of the western world?  Is your disdain for them because white people predominately believe in Christianity?  Is it because it is politically correct to demean them under nearly every circumstance according to left's doctrine?

Best regards,


Upon reflection, and really digging deep into who I am, I have come to the realization that I relate way better to things, and am not under as much conflicting emotions, if I allow myself the freedom, and expect it from others, as a Obama-god given right, or else......
That from now on I want to be addressed as, and not challenged in any way, shape, or form, to the fact I am a born again African American Albino Lesbian......

DO NOT TELL ME I AM NOT, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF UNDERSTANDING WHO I AM OR WHAT I FEEL......
DO NOT CHALLENGE ME OR DENY ME, OR ELSE.....


This message board will be open to all just like me, please feel free to express your innermost self, desires, or whims.....

DO NOT SUPPRESS MY FREEDOM TO BE ME AND TO EXPRESS MYSELF ANYWAY I DESIRE!!!!!!!!!!

Embarrassed Too F'N weird, try it....

What are you?
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"[quote author=2C3F273A3F29395E0 link=1463193052/0#9 date=1463273258]pg wrote on 05/14/16 at 14:58:50:
Serowbot wrote on 05/14/16 at 11:51:17:



That from now on I want to be addressed as, and not challenged in any way, shape, or form, to the fact I am a born again African American Albino Lesbian......

DO NOT TELL ME I AM NOT, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF UNDERSTANDING WHO I AM OR WHAT I FEEL......
DO NOT CHALLENGE ME OR DENY ME, OR ELSE.....


This message board will be open to all just like me, please feel free to express your innermost self, desires, or whims.....

DO NOT SUPPRESS MY FREEDOM TO BE ME AND TO EXPRESS MYSELF ANYWAY I DESIRE!!!!!!!!!!

Embarrassed Too F'N weird, try it.... What are you?"


Let me see if I can properly relay my feelings here...

I can be whatever I want to be. I can believe whatever I want to believe. With a basic human knowledge of being able to differentiate between right and wrong, you have no place to suppress my freedoms or beliefs be they different from yours. With a Christian knowledge of what is right and wrong, you STILL have no right to suppress my freedom or beliefs, as according to the Bible it is not for you to judge.

You are allowed to "challenge" my freedom and beliefs, if you do so in a way that you are open to listening and learning and not simply trying to tell me I am wrong for being different from you. That does not mean that you must agree with my decisions, but you must understand that they are my decisions to make.
Not everyone is going to agree on everything, but if we all took the time to try and understand another persons outlook on life we may have less hate in the world.

Example: I come from a multiracial, multifaceted family. My father is a tattoo artist and my parents are heavily tattooed. I grew up with my mothers best friend around all of the time who was a drag queen. My grandfather is a traditional southern Baptist man, my grandmother was a Buddhist, my father traveled the world and studied many religions, I went to a Catholic school for 9 years. I have my own opinions on religion.
My boyfriends family are all white and Christian. They have not known many African American or homosexual people. They are not fans of tattoos.
One day his grandmother sat me down to talk about these things. She was completely ignorant, but not in a hateful way, just in a lack of knowledge way. We talked for hours, she had many questions and opinions but was genuinely curious. Through a meaningful, educated and kind conversation she was able to understand me, my family, and my beliefs a little bit better.

All of this to say that if we actually try to understand one another and not be blinded by our personal feelings everything can be a little bit easier for everyone. Smiley
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Change your moniker to owl  Wink
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"raydawg wrote on 05/16/16 at 10:48:12:
Change your moniker to owl  Wink
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