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05/11/16 at 05:17:14
 
I have shared with you all I work for a major commercial aircraft builder.
It (commercial aviation) was once dominated by US companies and that gave them a lot of control in building and marketing.
Not so anymore.
The market grows more daily into a global enflunced dictate.
If we stop and give pause to the product, is it wise to base the cost factor, as in cheaper, more competitive, less to consumer, more marketabilty, as a driving force in production?
Can you compromise things to a point where the assumed risk has risen?
A 36,000 feet above sea level, is this a place you want to ponder and prove your theory?
Failure has grave consequences for sure!

I believe we reach a point where morality in compromised in favor of commerce and profit.
To compete we must ask all, from manufacturing to supply chain, to reduce cost.
Is that the deciding factor?
Do we get people that are willing to compromise integrity for profitability?

I see those quagmire extending across our social landscape as well.
Can you?
I will use the transgender restroom issue as an example.
Yes, I believe folks really are gender challenged, and it is a life obstacle for them, but.....
Do I have the right to demand others bend to my life hurdles in order to make my life more livable?

Should I accept my life challenges as they are and try and make the best of them, or demand that my life, beliefs, preference is paramount?
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Reply #1 - 05/11/16 at 06:26:34
 
This sounds so leading... but I'll bite.

I work in aerospace also. I've seen videos from the big dogs.
They are cold and lifeless when they utter phrases such as "loss of life", but you can hear where the true concern is: the dollar.

Ever watch Fight Club?

Quote:
Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?

Narrator: You wouldn't believe.

Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?

Narrator: A major one.



It's a dollar exchange. They'd sell you out in a heartbeat. If the cost of the payout exceeded how much they could fleece you for a ride across the country, they would be in the cab company.

Save those you can and move on.


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Reply #2 - 05/11/16 at 07:54:46
 
Steve, great points.

Our legal system is based on a monetary fix. We can never undo or make whole.
Funny in a sad way, but at its root, captilism is the worship of money, the very element needed, or one/two punch, of power.

But by it's very nature, morality should be beyond its grasp, that is, IF it was not bending to whim, and popularity, but a constant absolute....
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Reply #3 - 05/11/16 at 09:30:28
 
I will always remember a statement made by John Glenn.  When interviewed after his historic first orbital mission, by Walter Cronkite,  Walter asked Glenn what thoughts were going thru his head right before blast off.

Glen replied that he was thinking that every single part of the entire contraption was made by the lowest government bidder.
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Reply #4 - 05/11/16 at 15:40:10
 
Doing a tune up on a Detroit Diesel.

The intake plumbing has to be removed to access the governor.
We picked up rags and everything else that could be sucked into the turbocharger. A thirty dollar guard fits on the turbocharger, for the safety of the mechanic. The company I worked for, the company that had a
Safety Officer
Safety Meetings every coupla weeks.
We had safety meetings on the importance of using wheel chocks on fifty thousand pound trucks, with brakes set and parked in gear, but not ONE meeting with the dangers of an unshielded turbocharger.

I lost a finger in one,
And sued GM
And they, rather than strap a guard on every engine, they put back about a sack of money for the occasional lawsuit.
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Reply #5 - 05/11/16 at 16:07:35
 
Ok, I was hoping to keep this on track.

How does morality fit in the scheme of things?

Is it a safeguard or?

Do you guys understand how I think they are intertwined?
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Reply #6 - 05/11/16 at 16:38:02
 
How does morality fit in the scheme of things?

For the overwhelming majority of our population it means absolutely nothing.

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Reply #7 - 05/11/16 at 17:20:38
 
pg wrote on 05/11/16 at 16:38:02:
How does morality fit in the scheme of things?

For the overwhelming majority of our population it means absolutely nothing.

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Hhhmmmm.....

OK, what is right, and what is wrong.....and why?
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Reply #8 - 05/11/16 at 19:52:02
 
Depends on who you ask and what the topic is.
If everyone had the same moral compass society wouldn't be embroiled in idiotic SJW cause after cause. Wars wouldn't be, madmen wouldn't lure people to their deaths. Priests wouldn't molest little boys. Jerry Sandusky wouldn't have operated for decades.
Do you understand that there are people in this world who look normal, have good jobs, everything about them Appears above reproach, but they absolutely Delight in sadism?
Evil is real. And horrifically evil people can be very wealthy and successful.
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Reply #9 - 05/11/16 at 20:12:14
 
Yes Jog, I understand that.
I believe some, for whatever reason, have some really screwed up thoughts. Do all act upon those thoughts, or do they find a way to overcome those impulses?
I mean I have thoughts that I would never act upon....
I know it would be wrong from what I was taught.
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Reply #10 - 05/11/16 at 20:19:15
 
You needed to be taught? You don't have your own heart?
Maybe that's why so many are unable to understand that some actually have original thought.

I was complaining about a teacher to my dad.
He said
Do you think you're smarter than the teacher?
Took a while to see that answer, but if no student ever outshines the teachers, society cant progress.

My dad wanted to buy a bar and let me take the bets.
Yeah, I p assed.
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Reply #11 - 05/12/16 at 03:23:14
 
raydawg wrote on 05/11/16 at 17:20:38:
pg wrote on 05/11/16 at 16:38:02:
How does morality fit in the scheme of things?

For the overwhelming majority of our population it means absolutely nothing.

Best regards,


Hhhmmmm.....

OK, what is right, and what is wrong.....and why?


Without guidelines and I dare say spiritual beliefs any interpretation can be made.  

However, what I observe everyday and it is becoming more prevalent is a people make self centered, self serving, decisions without reservation or empathy.  

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Reply #12 - 05/12/16 at 03:49:03
 
pg wrote on 05/12/16 at 03:23:14:
raydawg wrote on 05/11/16 at 17:20:38:
pg wrote on 05/11/16 at 16:38:02:
How does morality fit in the scheme of things?

For the overwhelming majority of our population it means absolutely nothing.

Best regards,


Hhhmmmm.....

OK, what is right, and what is wrong.....and why?


Without guidelines and I dare say spiritual beliefs any interpretation can be made.  

However, what I observe everyday and it is becoming more prevalent is a people make self centered, self serving, decisions without reservation or empathy.  

Best regards,


Yes, I like your answer, but do some lack the capacity for empathy?
Where and who established those guidelines?
Who "interprets" or sets perimeters to spiritual beliefs?
I think that avenue of morality was a concern for the founders, do you?
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Reply #13 - 05/12/16 at 05:14:10
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/11/16 at 20:19:15:
You needed to be taught? You don't have your own heart?
Maybe that's why so many are unable to understand that some actually have original thought.

I was complaining about a teacher to my dad.
He said
Do you think you're smarter than the teacher?
Took a while to see that answer, but if no student ever outshines the teachers, society cant progress.

My dad wanted to buy a bar and let me take the bets.
Yeah, I p assed.


Well Jog, by your own testimony you seem above most in grasping the riddles of life   Grin
But yes, I was taught, I was directed by a word or picture on a door/wall, that told me what restroom to use.
I had a sign and directory that showed me I bought my clothes, or shoes, or, in the boys/men's department at store/mall.
I was told boy scouts and Girl Scouts were for boys, and girls, based on my sex, not my desire.
Shall I go on with examples?

Let's get back to the question.

We know Bot is scared of restrooms, he didn't say why....
Could be a conservative one stall over playing footies????
Anyway, what about those girls in the locker room/gym showers who don't want an altered man in there with them?

Who do we yield to in this issue, we can't satisfy both?
What do we default to in reasoning our decision?
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Reply #14 - 05/12/16 at 05:17:39
 
but do some lack the capacity for empathy?

Absolutely! Do you think the people who get rich from war toss and turn at night? They don't CARE about the suffering they cause. You think Jeffrey Dahmer had pangs of conscience?
Look up sociopath and psychopath. I had to, because I had someone in my life who could stand and proclaim love for us all, as he stole our property. Evil exists. Not everyone has a voice inside saying, you shouldn't do that.
If you can watch Americas Funniest and think it's funny, either you've never been hurt and just don't understand, or your empathy is lacking.
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