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Reply #15 - 04/04/16 at 08:13:10
 
Some folks are making the original 360 degree firing engines into a more modern 270 degree firing order.  The stock XS650 engine fires a cylinder every time the engine rotates 360 degrees.....every time a piston comes up one is firing while the other one is between the exhaust/intake strokes.  Modern twins are using a 270 degree crank where one crank throw is rotated 90 degrees....so the firing occurs 270 degrees apart at the shortest interval - and 450 degrees at the longest interval.  This makes a bit of a "lopey" sound to the engine.  It is supposed to result in less vibration  - and racing bikes use this design as it is supposed to provide better traction.....the longer 450 degree phase without engine power is supposed to allow the tire to get a better hook up with the pavement.

In order to get a 270 degree firing order, the crank, camshaft and ignition systems all have to be modified.  A special center

http://hughshandbuilt.blogspot.com/2013/08/270-degree-xs650-engine-for-sale.html  

The engine can be rephased to 277 degrees with the stock center crank pin - and this is a more common approach.

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Reply #16 - 04/04/16 at 12:00:59
 

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Reply #17 - 04/04/16 at 17:48:04
 
You can't just spin the head around, can you?
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Reply #18 - 04/04/16 at 23:31:30
 
Kris01 wrote on 04/04/16 at 17:48:04:
You can't just spin the head around, can you?


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Reply #19 - 04/05/16 at 06:33:54
 
Modern twins are using a 270 degree crank where one crank throw is rotated 90 degrees....so the firing occurs 270 degrees apart at the shortest interval - and 450 degrees at the longest interval.  This makes a bit of a "lopey" sound to the engine.  It is supposed to result in less vibration  - and racing bikes use this design as it is supposed to provide better traction.


I know Harley Davidson was really popular with the dirt track guys,, I really don't understand how setting up one cylinder ninety degrees off Decreases vibration, but I Can kinda get the traction thing.
Good post, Dave.
Any sites that you'd suggest that might help me understand would be fun ..
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Reply #20 - 04/05/16 at 13:14:48
 
Rotating the head around might seem simple at first - but the more I think about it the more I think it would be difficult.

Assuming the camshaft is driven from the center, and that the cylinder studs are laid out in a symmetrical pattern...maybe it can be rotated.  But what about the camshaft????....If you rotate the camshaft with the head it is now rotating backwards....and what used to be the lifting ramp is now on the backside of the rotation.  And what about the oil feed to the camshaft......how does the head get the oil pressure to the head?

There was a fellow living in Cincinnati who built an old BMW airhead to set a land speed record, and he had reversed the cylinders so the carb was on the front of each cylinder and the exhaust was out the back.  Not sure how he did that one either - but for some reason it seems that it would be easier on a pushrod engine.
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Re: XS650 inverted jug?
Reply #21 - 04/05/16 at 13:33:49
 
Dave wrote on 04/05/16 at 13:14:48:
There was a fellow living in Cincinnati who built an old BMW airhead to set a land speed record, and he had reversed the cylinders so the carb was on the front of each cylinder and the exhaust was out the back.  Not sure how he did that one either - but for some reason it seems that it would be easier on a pushrod engine.

I think you swap heads, left for right and vice versa.
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