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Reply #30 - 03/21/16 at 12:54:46
 
Killing ourselves out of stupidity, however, is something that they Do care about.
New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity.

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Reply #31 - 03/21/16 at 15:23:28
 
Kris01 wrote on 03/20/16 at 18:24:28:
Diesel pump nozzles are too big to fit into a gas tank. That's to keep people from putting the wrong fuel in your vehicle! Diesel used to be cheaper than gas ya know!

However, a smaller gas nozzle will fit into a diesel tank. There might be a problem here!  Grin


Used to work at a large coal mine. I saw guys there put :
Kerosene into a diesel bus. It ran, poorly.
Diesel into a Porsche (out of town contractor, trying to scam free fuel). It didn't run.
Hydraulic oil into a forklift. No chance.
Petrol (gasoline) into a diesel 4x4. can you say "Detontion"? It ran, but oh my....
I've done the 1/2 litre diesel into a tank of petrol many, many times and it's never done any harm. Just a good cheap carb/injector cleaner. In moderation. Wink
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Reply #32 - 03/21/16 at 18:49:44
 
I'd like to see a video of a diesel 4x4 running on gasoline!  Grin
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Reply #33 - 03/21/16 at 21:27:21
 
Ok diesel is combustible fires under compression , gas is flammable fires with the help of a spark plug , mixing the 2 does not benefit either engine. When you add anything to either that is not designed for that engine you alter the fuel. When diesel is added to gas it causes a lean condition because you removed the gas and replaced it oil. Using proper fuel additives for the proper fuel is ok and some additives can be used in both fuels. Carbon build up can be removed with water sprayed in carb with a spray bottle at raised rpm , just a little at a time. When water is compressed it explodes blasting away the carbon. When ever I remove carb or the filter I use some 3in1 oil on the slide keeps the slide from drying/wearing on all my bikes. Do as you please , put what ever you want in your gas. Good old gasoline is all they need !
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Reply #34 - 03/21/16 at 23:20:14
 
Some of the antique car people in NZ tried the Diesel in small quantities to lower the octane, because of an idea that modern fuels combust faster in modern high compression engines. Some people claimed that a slower burning fuel was more suited to compression ratios of under 5.5 or 6 to 1 which was the case with most 1920's vehicles and that the diesel, about a US quart per tankful would do this. I'm no engineer physicist, or combustion engineer, so the whole thing could be BS . I don't really know.
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Reply #35 - 03/22/16 at 09:55:37
 
One thing is certain, you  never see rust inside a petroil  "twostroke" gas tank, and the carbs are always in better shape.

The only question is how much oil is the minimum.
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Reply #36 - 03/22/16 at 19:20:29
 
jcstokes wrote on 03/21/16 at 23:20:14:
Some of the antique car people in NZ tried the Diesel in small quantities to lower the octane, because of an idea that modern fuels combust faster in modern high compression engines. Some people claimed that a slower burning fuel was more suited to compression ratios of under 5.5 or 6 to 1 which was the case with most 1920's vehicles and that the diesel, about a US quart per tankful would do this. I'm no engineer physicist, or combustion engineer, so the whole thing could be BS . I don't really know.


That makes sense. Back then, the fuel was so bad, they had to use extremely low compression ratios (compared to today; my Mazda6 runs 13:1). Modern fuels are overkill for those older engines.
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Reply #37 - 03/23/16 at 20:50:17
 
My first mini bike couldn't keep up to the Honda fifty. Then I read that Cox glow fuel for model airplanes would increase power. Not only did it make it faster than the Honda fifty , it passed the Honda seventy too ! Had the fastest mini bike around. On my third tank of mixed fuel it ended when it melted a hole in the piston. My first rebuild at age eleven. Cox glow fuel is a form of diesel fuel. Been working as a mechanic on diesel & gas engines for the last 25 years have seen the damage it causes. Do engines that run on nitro or alcohol use upper cylinder lube , no because just enough oil is carried by the rings to lube cylinder. All its needs is Gasoline !!!
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Reply #38 - 03/24/16 at 01:53:35
 
Cox glo fuel is methanol (alcohol), 15-30% nitromethane and 20%castor (or synthetic if you can't get castor) oil. They will run on straight glo fuel but they prefer loads of nitro. The air/fuel mix is ignited by the glow plug in the cylinder head which is a kind of hot wire heated initially by a battery then kept hot in a catalytic reaction with the methanol. Gasoline model engines need a spark plug.
No commercially available model engines run on diesel. Diesel model engines run on ether and oil with some scary carcinogens added for racing. They use a simple carb for induction, not the injector you need to atomise diesel fuel. So, they're not really diesels but they are compression ignition engines.
They all carry oil (castor or synthetic) blended with the fuel. Even the 4 strokes use premix.
I understand some of the US pulse jet flyers use Heet (the antifreeze stuff) as fuel. we don't get that here so it's methanol or gasoline for us. Gas for me, methanol is too $$$. Maybe the minibike would've rocked out with a bottle of Heet in it.
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Reply #39 - 03/24/16 at 13:53:17
 
I've decided to throw caution to the winds.  Smiley

I'm squirting one shot of MobilI I, from an oil can, per gallon of into the gas tank.

The purpose, I hope, is to help prevent rust in the tank and also to lube the carb.

Curse that flipping ethanol!! :'(
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Reply #40 - 03/24/16 at 18:25:13
 
Gas in the tank will prevent corrosion!  Wink

It only corrodes when it's less than full. The gas doesn't eat away at the tank. It's the air above the gas that causes oxidation.
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Reply #41 - 03/24/16 at 18:44:13
 
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A little extra work but might work out for you!
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Reply #42 - 03/24/16 at 19:11:31
 
I used Marvel Mystery oil in the gas on my old flathead bikes, they seemed to like it. I never had valve problems with unleaded gas in them.
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Reply #43 - 03/24/16 at 21:21:24
 
No wonder it went so dam fast  and melted the piston ! I was cool for a few days. I just remember cox fuel as oily and glow plug only needing power to start , but I don't remember if it was flammable or combustible. Do remember that they had no piston rings and the fuel lubed the crank & connecting rod.
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Reply #44 - 03/25/16 at 00:36:30
 
Yeah too small for a piston ring. They have a tapered bore instead so as the piston gets higher up the bore it gets tighter and seals better. Pretty crude but gets it done.
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