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Reply #15 - 02/25/16 at 08:31:36
 
WoW.....that BMW has a 400 Watt generator!

No problem powering your electric socks while riding that bike!
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Reply #16 - 02/25/16 at 08:54:53
 
Whoa!!!!! Nice! Well I guess an onboard generator is worth something.
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Reply #17 - 02/25/16 at 20:41:38
 
All the 'adventure bikes' are sort of high dollar
You rarely see them for sale used
I think that says something, though I'm not sure what
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Reply #18 - 02/25/16 at 21:47:57
 
Wait just a minute ...  Huh ...

I suspect to get a 400 watts  (400watt/12volts=33amps)

Don't that tell ya :  This thing has a "Brush-type" Alternator

well Brush type work good on cars where they are isolated away from the crank-shaft , and heat
BUT
On a motorcycle with a vibrating crank shaft spinning a wound rotor , things are different.
The motor temperature and the "33Amps being generated" add up to a lot of heat being added to that Vibrating , Spinning , Ball of windings soaked in varnish.
The result is a new rotor the first time the battery gets low and those 33 amps are needed.  Shocked
Its not a "Good" thing.  Embarrassed    

So a permanent Magnet producing 100 watts is : kinda bullet proof and that is a Good thing !   Smiley
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Reply #19 - 02/26/16 at 04:38:54
 
Our charging system is pretty simple and durable....and definitely small.

I am not sure that modern motorcycles suffer from the same charging system (brushed alternator) problems you had on your bikes 40 years ago.

My Honda ST1100 has a 40 amp alternator....and they aren't known to have any recurring problems.  The early ST's had 28 amp alternators and when folks started adding lots of heated clothing and electronic parts they ran out of power - so folks do change the 28 amp alternators for the later 40 amp ones.  Living on a water cooled V-4 is no worse than being in the engine compartment of a car.

 
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Reply #20 - 02/26/16 at 06:14:07
 
Dave wrote on 02/26/16 at 04:38:54:
 Living on a water cooled V-4 is no worse than being in the engine compartment of a car.

 


Dave, I tend to agree with you here. I would nearly speculate that, on a 4 cyl. Water cooled bike, it could run cooler than under the good of a car.
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Reply #21 - 02/26/16 at 07:48:13
 
Why? a car is water cooled, too, and the alternator get plenty of cooling airflow
I seriously doubt the internal temp of the engine is lower than the under hood temperature that same engine is generating
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Reply #22 - 02/26/16 at 18:44:43
 
Water cooled V-4 = Smooth !  Smiley

Don't know how any Big-Single could even come close .  Huh

Even those in line 4's are smooth in comparison to any  650 single .



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Reply #23 - 02/28/16 at 22:33:57
 
I don't think I'm a Beemer guy. They give me a bad impression. Too fancy-schmancy. Not simple or humble.

Does one need power brakes on a motorcycle? Some Beemers have them. Not simply big powerful brakes like many Sport bikes do, but power brakes? I read that the ABS on these things disengages at low speeds, meaning the power brake monster is unleashed upon the poor rider who then accidentally locks the brakes and hits the ground.  Angry Again, do we need power brakes on a motorcycle? I can understand that it is not easy using the Savage brakes. They take some squeeze power. But still, does anyone need POWER BRAKES?!?!? Roll Eyes ... on a motorcycle!?!? Roll Eyes

Not only that, I've gathered bad impressions of their reliability (the newer one's at least-- I heard a good opinion about the old ones.)

Not sayin' I wouldn't ride one or be willing to hear about them in some respects.

They just leave a bad taste in my mouth, metaphorically speaking. Angry

It's interesting and frustrating that this girl chose a Beemer, but it seems that she's a Beemer person. She's some fancy person who wants some fancy bike and can't handle the pure Savagery of the Savage. It seems that Beemer people and Suzuki people are near opposites. They don't see eye to eye.

...Or, to think of it, she's a beginner that doesn't have a clue what she's doing, doesn't know or care about reliability or repair-ability. She probably has money and doesn't care about spending it. She probably went to the stealership, looked at the bike (and maybe others), test drove, and decided that she simply liked the feel of the Beemer, having no clue as to the monstrosity which lay before her. Roll Eyes

Now what would be more extreme would be Royal Enfield vs BMW. Huh

Now, there are probably some Beemer/Savage owners here who don't like my slightly frustrated rant... Go ahead, have at it! Call me everything but a rotten egg! Grin
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Reply #24 - 02/28/16 at 22:48:03
 
Okay! Okay! I looked over the story again. Roll Eyes Maybe she has a slight clue. Undecided I don't know... Tell me, does the 650 GS Beemer thumper earn a more respectable reputation?

Haven't quite figured this out yet... Undecided
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Reply #25 - 02/28/16 at 23:10:55
 
Here's a cute little thread where they duke it out: BMW vs Suzuki.

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/bmw-f650gs-vs-suzuki-dr650.112940/


Well, it's late, and I've done enough damage for one night. I think I'll sleep on it.  Huh
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Reply #26 - 02/28/16 at 23:32:24
 
I used to have a BMW K75s. 3 cyl, watercooled and very nice. Totally reliable as well. And the massive external alternator powered the heated handgrips just fine. I'd have another BMW.

I also have a Savage and a Royal Enfield. Jolly good bikes both.
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Reply #27 - 02/28/16 at 23:54:39
 
Cool. Sounds good.

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Reply #28 - 02/29/16 at 02:10:51
 
Not yet, but I'm working on it. I'm running out of space unfortunately. Been culling some crap but still plenty to go.....
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Reply #29 - 02/29/16 at 07:16:10
 
gizzo

so tell us about the Enfield :

??? you got the newer type motor ?
    does it feel like it needs an overdrive ?
    the high speed cruising speed - (I call 75mph High speed on my S-40)
    when you lean over in tight turns - what drags first ?

Huh

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