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Reply #15 - 02/23/16 at 18:32:02
 
'But, the first rule is, if work gets done and now you've got a problem, inspect the work.'
'when trouble shooting, always undo the last thing you did prior to the trouble.'
Yeah, very true. I enjoyed reading what was at the site beginning & am keen to do a Raptor p/thingy sometime. I wont bore you with the reasons why.
'hell, 1 post? where you been?  Musta been lurking'  I'll say I've been lurking; me & thousands of others here in Christchurch. Last Sunday week we had another shake thumper & I have another leaking pipe under the house. Yeah! Lurk lurk, that's us all right.
No pinched wires anywhere that I can see.
Starter not just freewheeling. Engaging authentically  Smiley
Wife has been making me chill out with a beer. Sure keeps me sane this week. (the beer Wink) She says "Don't panic & take an axe to it will ya! You'll only end up with a chopper!."
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Reply #16 - 02/23/16 at 18:33:15
 
Well, since it doesn't have the twelve volts applied to the primary side of the solenoid, there is no reason for the solenoid to be sending power to the starter, unless it's stuck inside.
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Reply #17 - 02/23/16 at 19:21:24
 
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No, the contacts wont be stuck. It is a new solenoid I bought & installed thinking the old 'noid was stuck-up  Grin
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Reply #18 - 02/23/16 at 19:28:09
 
I'd be disconnecting one of the small wires. Then there is no way to be wrong.
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Reply #19 - 02/23/16 at 20:00:34
 
I don't mean to walk all over others on here with my opinions or hurt any pride or egos. Just helping out.

Sounds like another bad starter solenoid. Try and give it a good rap.
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Reply #20 - 02/23/16 at 21:18:40
 
I have already given the new starter solenoid a good rap & a telling off  Smiley
This must be the 1st time in the history of all LS650s that its not the solenoid. Please keep going; I may be famous yet.  Wink
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Reply #21 - 02/24/16 at 08:48:26
 
OK disconnect the primary side of the solenoid. The 2 small wires. At this point you've eliminated everything up to the solenoid. If it still runs the starter motor then the solenoid is bad or the positive lead from the battery is touching the starter positive lead. Or something is shorting across the solenoid. What voltage reading do you get at the starter motor when it's running?

Take pictures of the solenoid area for a visual.
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Reply #22 - 02/24/16 at 11:49:14
 
Slipstream,

Are you sure that when you replaced the solenoid you didn't miss wire it?
If you remove the large wires from the solenoid does the starter still turn?

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Reply #23 - 02/24/16 at 12:20:52
 
Savageman -thanks.
'I don't mean to walk all over others on here with my opinions or...'  they are just laying low & listening because they knew too much knowledge was shooting in my direction. They'll be there when needed.

I can only perform 2 digital voltmeter jobs & that's measure volts & measure for inline continuity. I guess that's enough really.
Both the old  & the new starter solenoids measure 003 at the small brass pins, so I guess all is well, as touching the probes on the multimeter measures 000.
I disconnected the primary side of the solenoid; the 2 small wires, & the starter does NOT engage when I go to connect the  negative battery lead to battery.
I hope all this is good news.
The positive battery lead is well wrapped in a plastic coil-pipe as it passes the top of the solenoid, & the new solenoid has a good rubber cap/cover protecting it.
I didn't take a pic as I can see pretty good with the bike outside in the shade.
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Reply #24 - 02/24/16 at 12:50:07
 
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The large wires on solenoid are shaped to only go on one way, but I can give a description.
If I was holding the solenoid in front of my face with the small brass pins closest to me, the large connections would be:-  black to the left & red to the right.
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Reply #25 - 02/24/16 at 13:15:30
 
Slipstream,

The solenoid is clearly ok at this point.

You are going to have to trace the wires back until you find the short- 12 volts-.

Do you have a correct wiring diagram?  It is not too difficult but it takes time. The only time you should have 12v. at the primary of the solenoid is when you push the start switch.

Versy had some good starting tips. No pun intended. Grin
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Reply #26 - 02/24/16 at 15:40:19
 
Slipstream,

Check the black wire from the igniter. It should not have 12volts on it.
Just a hunch. Smiley
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Reply #27 - 02/24/16 at 16:39:26
 
Check the continuity of the solenoid with the starter wire and 2 small wires  disconnected. You said the reading of the 2 small pins was 3 ohms?

Should read infinity or no ohms at all. If it has a reading then the solenoid is stuck closed (always on).

I just happen to have a spare solenoid with wires still attached. It should be wired as seen in pictures. Also mine reades 4 ohms on the primary side. Infinity on the battery side.  Huh
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Reply #28 - 02/24/16 at 16:41:36
 
Measure it like this with the starter motor disconnected and the 2 small wires.
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Reply #29 - 02/24/16 at 17:20:35
 
Quote:
I disconnected the primary side of the solenoid; the 2 small wires, & the starter does NOT engage when I go to connect the  negative battery lead to battery.


Are you sure you don't have 12v on the yellow wire with the black stripe?
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