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Reply #45 - 02/27/16 at 14:04:16

That's the one Cheapnewb24. I did not bother to read the whole thing. It said FA106 in large print and that was all I needed. Yes, the FA106 with ot suffix is the kevlar/organic pad. And I guess ebay agrees with me that I should not have to read all the small print that basically says "well it's not really an FA106". Anyway, lesson learned.

Hey, did you get your Volar pads today? I did not. I was sure hoping to put them on my bike today and go for a ride.

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Reply #47 - 02/29/16 at 16:41:00

Got my Volar pads today in the mail and put them on. Sanded the rotor a little with 400 grit.

They squeaked at first and didn't grip well, but once quiet and settled in, they seem at least marginally better than the old ones, which appeared to be some unknown red-branded organic pad. Not sure though. Might post some pictures later.

I didn't use any silicone or anti-squeal, so they are naturally quiet on my bike. Even the old ones were usually quiet unless the wheel was removed and reinstalled. Then it would have to settle back in.

I didn't go through a gentle break-in period. Since I am testing these pads, I did a few sudden stops. They work. One thing I noticed is a somewhat firmer feel in the lever. I know that if the front brake is jabbed suddenly without using the rear brake or progressive pressure, the front tire may lock. Otherwise, they still appear to be old-fashioned anti-lock brakes. Wink

Once the front tire has the bike's weight, you can almost bottom out the lever. Not sure If I have managed to really bottom it out, though. Does this mean the front tire simply has enough grip, or is the brake fading?

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Reply #54 - 02/29/16 at 17:53:37 I think I could have squeezed a little more service out of the old ones. Wha da ya think?
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gizzo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiCabbage. It's Savage. Posts: 1318 Australia	Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Reply #55 - 02/29/16 at 17:56:39 That's good: you're not supposed to break brakes in gently. Have a Google for break in procedure. If you treat them gently from new, they squeal and don't work as well as they could.
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Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"?
Reply #56 - 02/29/16 at 18:05:39

That makes me feel a little better. I wondered if I wasn't grinding them down prematurely.

The old ones measured 1.5-2 mm, meaning that they still had a little service life left.

They don't squeal, and they seem to do the job. Savage brakes aren't much.

Since I'm a newbie, I don't have a keen sense for judging brake pads.

There have been a review or two to mention that these pads may not do well for heavy use. A Savage ain't a race bike anyway, so who cares? Huh

Maybe one of the more skilled riders can tell the difference? Huh

When you sink up the lever once you're well set into deceleration, and you don't lock up, does that simply mean that the front now has a lot of traction, or does that indicate brake fade? Huh

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Reply #57 - 02/29/16 at 18:21:53 Can anyone lock their front on dry asphault? I don't mean jabbing the front, but once you use the rear brake and gently sink up the front lever, giving the front tire maximum traction, can anyone lock their front tire on dry asphault with good rubber (fresh Shinko 712F, 39 psi)?
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Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"?
Reply #58 - 02/29/16 at 18:32:21

Hey Cheapnewb24, I'm glad you posted all those pictures cause my volar pads are the exact same ones. I just got mine on the bike and went for a brief ride. First of all, they are quiet. Second, they seem to grab pretty well. I did a few hard stops and as best I can tell I am stopping as well as with the EBC pads. Now we nee to see how long they last. By the way, overall first impression, these are much better than the FA106R that I am returning to the vendor.

The brake lever does feel a good bit firmer but I suspect that is because there is so much more pad material now (no I did not bleed them yet). Hopefully I will get to do some riding later in the week and will let you know how they feel.

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Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"?
Reply #59 - 02/29/16 at 18:51:00

Are the new brake pads typical of organic? There's a bit of what looks like copper imbedded in them. Do they look like EBC pads? $7 vs $30-- What's the difference?

I gather that some people don't like these pads-- or any Kevlar organic pad, for that matter. They prefer sintered pads, but supposedly, our rotors are too soft for those, right? Huh

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/brake-pads-kevlar-carbon-vs-sintered-me...

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