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01/31/16 at 08:12:57
 
For profit only?

Empathy for a cost?

The implications are far reaching, and very revealing, ugly at its core.


Joe Biden’s proposal for a cancer moon shot has struck a deep nerve in the research community, where cutting-edge scientists blame an entrenched medical establishment for hoarding the data needed to make breakthroughs.
Biden, whose son Beau died of brain cancer in May, said earlier this month that vast troves of research were “trapped in silos, preventing faster progress and greater reach to patients.” While few researchers disagree, many are still reluctant to share the raw data used in their research, posing big obstacles to the vice president’s initiative.
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The tension boiled over this month when Jeffrey Drazen, editor of the New England Journal, and co-author Dan Longo, wrote in an op-ed that while sharing was all well and good, it had to be done collaboratively, not by “data parasites” who stole or misused work that might have taken bench scientists decades to assemble. The editorial did not mention Biden’s initiative, but many commenters noted its relevance.
Over a snowbound weekend, the Twittersphere exploded with angry attacks on the Journal, which gave the impression of an ivory tower beset by flame-throwing iconoclasts. Geneticist Michael Eisen, at the University of California, Berkeley, decried the editorial (which Drazen toned down four days later) as “one of the most shockingly anti-science things ever written.”
The debate, which revolves around how fast researchers should have to share results from government-funded clinical trials, aired biomedicine’s dirty laundry in public.
“Big data” has produced breakthroughs but it has also put some traditional researchers on the defensive. So have reports showing that most research papers—the bread and butter of careers—yield results that can’t be reproduced. For many genetic studies in particular, the only way to get reliable, replicable results is to contribute to studies that amass huge amounts of data—and thereby surrender the glory of publishing alone.
That’s not an easy sell to those in the medical trenches. Researchers need to publish original articles to advance their careers. In addition, their institutions are encouraged to monetize the information under the 1980 Bayh-Dole Act, which encouraged universities to commercialize discoveries.
Committees for ethical review and data management also get in on the act to protect the rights of patients and scientific integrity. Often, the process just looks like a waste of time, producing red tape and silos that threaten to block the administration’s efforts.

Some kind of incentive may be required to cut them loose, said John Wilbanks of Sage Bionetworks, a nonprofit that supports open science projects.
“If they’re serious about a moon shot, they have to advocate for the creation of a new system that doesn’t have to fight all these various power structures,” Wilbanks said.
Biden has promised to “break down silos and bring all the cancer fighters together.” But he has not yet offered specifics about how to do that.
"Biden is absolutely right to focus on robust data sharing as a key tenet of cancer research,” says David Shaywitz, chief medical officer of DNAnexus, a biotech company. “Leading academic cancer centers are clamoring for government money to subsidize sequencing projects, but unless this funding is explicitly coupled to actual data sharing, we'll wind up enlarging existing silos rather than leveling them."
“Data sharing is in the Zeitgeist—that’s why Biden said it,” added Wilbanks. But to force the transition to easier data handover, it will be necessary for the government to attach strings to its grants, he said.
A lot of scientists disagree, including those in the private sector.
“I don’t think that kind of mandate will work,” said Brad Fenwick, a vice president at the academic publisher Elsevier, most of whose journals require high fees to read. He said such ideas reflect a “lack of appreciation of the difference between disciplines. Everyone sees the world from where they sit.”
Most academic researchers “perceive very little upside in generously and richly sharing their raw data,” Shaywitz acknowledges. “At a minimum, it’s regarded as a thankless hassle.”
“At what point is data so free that you might wake up and find some part of your long, arduously created trial published by someone you’ve never heard of?” says Clifford Hudis, chief advocacy officer at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center.
There are scientific risks to sharing data as well. Hidden elements in a dataset – details, for example, about a study population that the original researcher understood but didn’t communicate in a publication—add mistakes when crunched into multiple sets, says biostatistician Donald Berry of MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.
NIH typically requires data from clinical trials it funds to be published within a year of the completion of the trial. Releasing it before it’s collected can bias investigators, said Walter Kibbe, director of bioinformatics at the National Cancer Institute.
But to meet the administration’s goal of a personalized approach to disease, patients’ genetic variations will have to be matched against large databases of people with the same diseases. That isn’t possible when it takes months to access the data, especially if the patient is gravely ill with cancer or some other condition.
“Nothing we do in rare disease space doesn’t totally rely on data sharing,” says Daniel MacArthur, a genomics expert with appointments at Massachusetts General Hospital and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard.
Scientists describe some of the barriers as cultural differences that are generational, or entrenched in particular scientific disciplines.
“The clinical trialists like [the New England Journal’s] Drazen are basically in a totally different universe” from data scientists, says cancer genome expert Michael Hoffman of the University of Toronto. “The sky doesn’t fall because people use my research files without listing me as a co-author on their paper.”
“’Research parasites’ is a rather hilarious thing to say,” adds Jeremy Leipzig, a bioinformatics software developer at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “A statistician sitting in India might have nothing to do with your study, but have an excellent way of analyzing data that gives us terrific insight into the etiology of a disease.”
As an example of problems with sharing, researchers cite NIH’s Database of Genotypes and Phenotypes, created in 2006 to archive and distribute biomedical data generated in NIH-funded studies. Scientists complain that it takes months to learn whether they can access files, and sometimes the answer is ‘no’ without explanation.
It’s not entirely the government’s fault. Each institution that donates data to the site has its own rules about using them, rules that vary from study to study. Technical problems can make it hard to upload vast files. The NIH crew that manages the database seems underfunded and overworked, said Leipzig.
Despite these factors, fewer than a third of those requesting access to the database have been refused, notes Laura Lyman Rodriguez, chief of the policy office at the NIH’s genome institute.
She and others interviewed for this article see a trend toward more data sharing, and hope Biden’s cancer push will speed it along.
Groups that started work in the 1990s on the federally backed Human Genome Project had a head start dealing with big collaborations and terabytes of data. Now, every biomedical lab needs a computer scientist and a statistician to stay on the cutting edge, said Louis Staudt, who leads the Center for Cancer Genomics at NCI.

The “dataheads” enjoy the support of patient groups, which are pressing scientists to share their results early and often, so the best knowledge can get to doctors faster.
The scientific value of the data, and the push for patient participation, are “shifting the conversation,” Rodriguez said.
Obama used a February 2013 executive action to require public access to data created with public funding. The feds, cancer centers and advocacy groups are building collaborative projects that make it easier for clinicians and researchers to keep abreast of the latest findings.
“Biden’s onto something,” said Leipzig of Children’s Hospital. “He’s right. The more we can to encourage data sharing, the faster science will progress.”



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/joe-biden-cancer-researchers-rift-21846...
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Reply #1 - 01/31/16 at 14:06:36
 
I've been watching drives for donations to research foundations pretty much all my life. I'm not Against searching for cures, but I find it strange that there is virtually no mention of cause. Sure, cigarettes, big deal, as IF anyone actually Needed a scientific study to know that smoking is not a good idea. And, I smoke anyway. But, I buy imported tobacco, NOT sprayed with thimerosal, and, AFAIK, American tobacco is the only tobacco that is sprayed with it. And the New, fire resistant papers have rings of chemicals to extinguish it if you're not actively smoking it. I don't trust the chemical stew that is in childrens clothes is good, sold as fire resistant..Same is true of the mattresses we all buy.

Women and breast cancer. The body stores garbage in fat. Boobs are mostly fat. Underarm deodorants, and the other garbage we eat that has no business being in food, and the things that are added to vaccines that have no justification for being there, and what we have come to call water,, formaldehyde in the carpets and the glue that holds the countertop down.. The list of carcinogens that are just ubiquitous istoo long to even get them all found.

I'm not a believer in taking a boob and smashing it flat and xraying it.

I wonder what the cancer rate is in the uncivilized tribes, places where nobody has ever seen a hamburger or a coke. I'm gonna step way out on a limb and say it is a Bunch lower.
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Reply #2 - 01/31/16 at 17:00:43
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/31/16 at 14:06:36:
I'm not a believer in taking a boob and smashing it flat and xraying it.

What?,.. that's good exercise, that is... Grin
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I said mashing, not sucking.
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Reply #4 - 01/31/16 at 22:19:52
 
Seriously,...
Disposing of ego...  is a monumental task...
Perhaps, more so, than curing cancer...
Pray for them...



Dawg?.... Buddhism is all about this...




I think I may be a Buddhist, that can't do yoga.... Undecided...
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I wonder what the cancer rate is in the uncivilized tribes, places where nobody has ever seen a hamburger or a coke. I'm gonna step way out on a limb and say it is a Bunch lower.

Probably almost impossible to study since it would be like comparing apples to oranges. Lifespan in 'uncivilized tribes' is much shorter etc... but there's probably something to your premise about modern life increase occurrences.  As much as Pro-Death advocates, Democrats and Planned Parenthood try to hide it, abortion does increase breast cancer rates. Could wiping Secret on her underarm everyday for 40 years cause it? I don't know, kinda doubt it. Skin is a pretty good protection.

One thing I do know because I'm in the food industry, organic, locally sourced, fresh, non-GMO etc.... foods can make you sick or kill you just as foods produced by all those evil corporations like Tyson, Nestle, ConAgra etc... if not quicker. The last two outbreaks this year with deaths involved were from fresh vegetables. E Coli is a 'natural' pathogen for example that lives in the soil as does listeria, along with many others. Don't think that just because it's fresh from the farm it's safe.

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WebsterMark wrote on 02/01/16 at 05:40:19:
One thing I do know because I'm in the food industry, organic, locally sourced, fresh, non-GMO etc.... foods can make you sick or kill you just as foods produced by all those evil corporations like Tyson, Nestle, ConAgra etc... if not quicker.

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What do you do in the food industry that gives you this idea?
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My job takes me into food & beverage processing facilities. I was in 3 last week. Snow storm this week messed up my schedule or I would have been in a couple more this week. I've been in this industry on and off for 20+ years. Seen a lot of changes. There are a lot of smaller processors opening up last couple years who are taking advantage of the wholesome food craze. Craft breweries are probably the most obvious, but there are a lot of smaller animal, fruit and vegetable processors who've opened.  While major processors certainly let bad food get out, it's a mistake to think that terms like organic or fresh produce or that locally sourced or promises of non-GMO equals safe food. I follow all the food recall notices from both the FDA and USDA as well as the Canadian regulatory agency and many if not most, of the recalls (the ones not related to allergens) are not from national, well known processors. And if you were to take into account the volume of food recalled between large processors and small, the ratio is enormous, which you would expect and frankly, what you would want to see.
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Christianity is about
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Being reborn
That is not an exercise in building self esteem and ego.
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/01/16 at 11:52:30:
Christianity is about
Putting the old man
On the cross
Being reborn
That is not an exercise in building self esteem and ego.


Not sure how this post ( JOGS )  has anything to do with the original post on cancer research, and Bot was just trying to bridge another post unto this one, tho faintly, I think I can see what he was trying to get at, if you generalize, I guess.

And my final input Jog would be to offer you is, its more than what list, as we ALL fall short of perfect....
Its about grace.

Now if y'all excuse me, I think I wanna watch Bot try yoga, seems he might be getting it....
Heck, he already exhibits the ability to shove his head half way up his arse  Grin JOKE....JOKE......JOKE.......JOKE.....ALERT....ALERT.....ALERT, whew
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Grace?
Or Mercy?

Often confused


E Coli is a Natural problem , but only becomes a problem when food is mishandled. And the pumping of human waste into a field as fertilizer or a worker taking a dump in the lettuce,,
Just because a problem Can arise in a product that Should be safe and healthy doesn't make that product even almost as hazardous as a known hazard, such as GMO . I'm tired of the discussion. I've linked to the pictures of mice with hair between their teeth. Note, if you will, how celiac disease and gluten intolerance have followed the development of GMO  wheat.
Try to not allow the rhetoric to get between you and observed reality.
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Classic case, just got this today a little while after my last post.


Braga Organic Farms Issues Voluntary Recall of Pistachios Due to Possible Health Risk
FDA posts press releases and other notices of recalls and market withdrawals from the firms involved as a service to consumers, the media, and other interested parties. FDA does not endorse either the product or the company.



Braga Organic Farms announces the voluntary recall of pistachios due to potential contamination with Salmonella, an organism that can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people, and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy persons infected with Salmonella can experience fever, diarrhea (which may be bloody), nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain. In rare circumstances, infection with Salmonella can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and producing more severe illnesses such as arterial infections (i.e., infected aneurysms), endocarditis and arthritis.
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Try to not allow the rhetoric to get between you and observed reality.


Observed reality is my livelihood.  Conspiracy is your hobby.
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See? There you go. I've posted, numerous times, pictures SHOWING the effects of GMO foods over three or four generations. And E Coli is just the result of bad hygiene and food handling, yet you not only want to conflate the two, you Want to pretend that E Coli is the greater hazard.
Why? You Talk, but back it up with nothing but personal attacks.
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I don't recall seeing a mouse with hair in its teeth.....

So if I leave my Fruity Pebbles out for a mouse, he'll need to braid the hair growing out of his mouth?
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