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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #840 - 11/24/17 at 12:01:05
 
dcom's attempt to buy out Qualcomm in a hostile take over bid simply to stop Qualcomm from doing these sorts of very disruptive things to its buddy backers, as Intel and Apple may not survive the competition that Qualcomm could be giving them in 2018-2019 unless Qualcomm is bought outright and immediately brought to heel by Broadcom.


Might be a good time for antitrust laws.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #841 - 11/27/17 at 01:03:11
 

Looking at year after next ......


Intel bets that bigger and bigger and "more cores and more threads" 14nm based x386 Xenon server style chipsets will keep them in the game.

            Tongue               It is all they got ......  and boy is it getting expensive.


ARM/Qualcomm bets on lots of 64 bit DynamIQ A-75 "big" cores, in Centriq array format starting at 16 cores and running on up to 64 cores that will outperform Intel by a factor of 20x on AI applications and by 3x in normal x386 applications.

Centriq costs half of what Intel costs and runs twice to three times as fast ...... or more.


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AI is taking off for serious now, as more and more functions get AI optimized.


NOT BEING COMPETITIVE (ie. dead in the water) causes the PC marketplace to stagnate and lose share at pretty much the same 5-10% rate year on year on year, with Chromebooks still getting better and better that much quicker than the PC world can even react to or even try to compete against.


MS fails to get Win 10 cut down to be light and fast enough to compete against Chromebooks or Android once again.   Apple begins using non-Intel main processors along with A-11 helper chipsets for "Always On" phone like functionality that the market place demands.   Apple takes over the deluxe laptop market place (yet again) and MS begins constricting market share wise on the top end (yet again).   Apple cedes the low end laptop space to Chromebooks yet again, not wanting to cut their margins that much so as to even try to go there.


MICROSOFT has just now (Saturday 11/25) put a full MS OFFICE 360 SUITE into the Chromebook store, one that runs on ALL the current Chromebooks, not just a few of them, priced at only $7 a month -- both sides are now covered as far as MickeySoft sees things to be ingoing ......   this sorta constitutes a MS internal no-confidence vote on their ARM based Windows 10 machines ever doing anything really earthshaking over in laptop space -- should they ever actually arrive in laptop space in any real numbers worth even considering.

Undecided   Undecided    Undecided    Undecided   Undecided    Undecided    Undecided   Undecided    Undecided    Undecided   Undecided    Undecided  

Plus it is signalling that the "monthly blood bowl" is finally here, so jest plan to tap your charge card for $7 monthly if you wish to play MS's game at all.





Google begins actively showing everyone that the OS you use is actually worth more in throughput speed increases than the processor you use ......

     Roll Eyes       yep, that Fuchsia stuff she's a coming ....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #842 - 11/27/17 at 11:03:04
 

"Just get a Chromebook, Gramps ....."


This Thanksgiving I watched my brother in law get schooled by his grandkids, repeatedly, when he kept looking the ads trying to find his perfect new Win 10 laptop for the very best price.

He is buying a new Win 10 machine because he got infected with an ad-bot software and his old machine is LOUSY with hundreds of ever changing adwares now.   He cannot capiche "scrape it, repartition, reformat and re-install everything" and he is now willing to go buy a new machine to "fix it".

He kept asking for advice and folks of his own generation (me) kept pointing out that he could buy a Chromebook AND a "known to work perfectly with Chromebooks" WiFi printer from the same place at the same time for over a hundred dollars cheaper for the both of them than his "cheap on sale" Win 10 laptop would cost by itself on sale.

He kept saying "It won't run Office" and "It won't run my Tax software".   In both cases, it would and he was shown the software sitting there in the Chrome Store.  

His eyes then glazed over with dollar signs and he couldn't get them eyes to work at all right about then .....

I quit talking to him about it, as he wasn't receiving the signal I was sending back to him.   His daughter and son quit talking to him about it because he was just being stupid about it by the time they got on board with trying to convince him.   Nobody wanted to agree with him .....

Finally, his grandkids shut him down ..... "Gramps, I got a Chromebook from school out in the van and I can tell you straight, there isn't ANYTHING it cannot do.   It runs all the softwares, local WiFi signal or not if you choose to buy the local load stuff from the Chrome Store.   Want me to go get it?"

Finally the smoke cleared -- he was willing to pay 3x more for a replacement of the same - same sorry old WinTel stuff --- thinking that he wouldn't have to buy any new software.    He thinks that software costs a lot (it used to when he was a current user).


Roll Eyes   Roll Eyes   Roll Eyes   Roll Eyes

< Hee hee, Micky's done got a little surprise a waiting for you, you old Grampa-cheapskate you. >

"Mr. Grandpa, this old individually packaged software you are trying to register isn't checking out as a valid product license number match -- did you buy it from the Microsoft Store?   Oh, sorry about that -- buying your software directly from the Microsoft Store is always best in the long run ..... hmmmm, Installation Checker is reporting the serial numbers on most of your old boxed stuff as part of a series of "unverifiable software" serial numbers.

Plus, your laptop's processor and motherboard's Intel Management Engine NOW REQUIRES a new "matched approved version" of Windows 365, both for the OS and the Office.   

You need to go get you a FRESH valid, current featured MS Store download of all of your critical OS softwares (processor match up is required) that is matched to a valid license serial number for each piece that is issued fresh from the MS Store ....  otherwise this melange of "unverifiable" old boxed software has now been so marked "unverified" in our system and it will never be able to initialize on your new system, ever ......  

Microsoft Systems Update will review your system nightly every night and Systems Update will automatically disable any non-approved softwares and remove them from your system to prevent them from providing malware access points.

The easiest way to handle all your current issues is to hit the "update to Microsoft 365" icon at the top of your Systems Update page on your new machine and supply a charge card number to pay the easy monthly payment plan.   Remember, using Microsoft 365 will save you hundreds of dollars per year as opposed to buying each piece of software separately.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #843 - 11/28/17 at 15:16:57
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/11/samsung-says-graphene-ball-batteries-charge-faste
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Samsung says it is developing a brand new battery technology that both holds more power and charges more quickly than the lithium ion batteries that are widely used today.

Researchers at the Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology have developed a new graphene ball battery material that the company says charges 5 times more quickly than “standard lithium-ion batteries,” while offering 45 percent more battery capacity.

Samsung says a graphene ball battery could be fully charged in 12 minutes and could function at temperatures as high as 60 degrees Celcius (140 degrees Fahrenheit).
  Samsung Development was given a directive to go develop and to make up production processes for an "error free" new type of battery that does not share any of the old lithium-ion peculiarities.    

(yep, the same list of lithium-ion misbehaving shite that cost Samsung 5.7 Billion Dollars in outgassing / "bulging" / "catching on fire" recall dollars in the last few years alone)

It's funny, you hear lots of trash talk coming from Qualcomm, Google and others about a new solid state battery really really really being needed very badly -- then Samsung uncorks one for real and the rest are just throwing out a bunch of very vague claims and announcements about "something coming soon" while Samsung quietly ships the very first lots of a real product all by their lonesome.    

Generally, it goes in the Samsung primo phone products first, giving Samsung pride of place and a season's worth of competitive edge.  

Unless Apple buys up all of the first lots for use in their primo iPhone, that is ......  Samsung  is known to sell their "advantage" to Apple for the first year exclusively if Apple pays them well enough for it.

Samsung is inventing new things and new processes and putting out benchmark worthy new items rather regularly of late.

Qualcomm did several "breakthroughs" in the last couple of years that were actually Samsung R&D reading through on the first production lots on some novel good new process development work.  

This may be another one coming that will break out soon  ..... sorta like that new faster V Nand cache memory that Samsung just did.   And that 48 core ARM DynamIQ Centriq processor that was just developed and run by Samsung 10nm Foundry.   And let's not forget the Qualcomm 835 and 845, which were developed and run by Samsung 10nm Foundry which were wonderfully successful last year and will be again this year with the 845.


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TODAY, 11/29, Samsung just switched several of their 10nm production lines over to the new 2nd Generation "8nm" (10nm plus) production lithography.   This "8nm lithography process" can yield 10% more speed or 15% better battery life, depending on the product in question.    Yields per wafer are supposed to go up ~ 10% ~ too.

Next baby step is 6nm-7nm, which hits mid year in 2018 supposedly ......   TSMC is supposed to hit 7nm first with Samsung taking the next position in that horse race, followed by Global Foundry like part of a year later, or about the same time Intel finally makes it to 10nm for real.


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Wall Street pundits are saying that Qualcomm will likely eventually succumb to the forces arrayed against it.   What is hoped is that before they go down Qualcomm will donate their IP interests in certain techs to their FOSS consortium co-backers very legally and very clearly, such that any future "dog in manger" lawsuits cannot be done by Broadcom, etc. etc.  

We all remember the Oracle/Android Java lawsuits, lawsuits that took place after some very early Android "free for common use" Java IP was inherited by a patent troll company named Oracle after they got hold of some old original SUN Java IP in a "obsolete defunct company" IP purchase.

Remember, the new Broadcom under Hock Tan is also a VERY greedy "sue you" company and Broadcom has no significant stake in phone space to protect at this point in time.    But if Hock Tan gets Qualcomm, he will suddenly own some significant old IP resources to go sue some people over.   And he will gain large amounts of clout over in phone space.

This is also a good reason for Google to be rapidly building themselves a better full range OS mousetrap in their new Fuchsia OS -- the old Linux/Android based OS items may go get entangled all over again by a new set of players laying hold on some very early Android IP rights for the very first time ....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #844 - 11/29/17 at 03:34:24
 

Update:    

Broadcom's takeover people have proposed an alternate set of Qualcomm board members for the next election, one new member for each of the existing Qualcomm board members.   These are brand new people who are NOT opposed to Qualcomm selling itself to Broadcom.  

Ipso facto -- a proxy vote for a new guy is actually a vote for selling Qualcomm to Broadcom.

This is a hostile take over "dirty trick" and if the existing Qualcomm stockholder people are stupid or slack about voting their stockholder proxies then Broadcom can get its hands on Qualcomm for practically ZERO extra dollars .....

Otherwise it is just the next move in the Qualcomm takeover saga.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #845 - 12/01/17 at 00:52:15
 

SEVERAL National Governments have been given the ability to turn off the leaky remote access hole-filled Intel Management Engine on their high security PCs.

This knowledge is also showing up in several open source discussion boards, so expect to see some sort of tool put together by someone fairly soon.  

Logically, Intel would want to do this first, to save face if nothing else.   In the FOSS world, you get yourself a "bug" you fix it ASAP, right?

RESISTING DOING IT FOR ALL CUSTOMERS and all generations of machines could be taken as a statement of intent, don't you think?  

Sorta hard to say it was all jest an accident, if you won't even try to fix it, huh?


Roll Eyes


So far, System 76 and Purism and Dell will ship you a current Intel processor equipped motherboard with the Intel Management Engine completely disabled and defeated.    The list of Management Engine totally free companies is getting longer every day ......  so are the demands to get rid of stuff like this, Intel and MS's cute little ideas to stop Linux and other OS systems being able to load on YOUR HARDWARE THAT YOU PURCHASED FOR YOUR OWN USES.

Once again, Intel and Microsoft didn't fix it --- System 76, Purism and Dell insisted on fixing it and spent the time identifying how to do just that.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #846 - 12/01/17 at 08:18:54
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/will-windows-10-run-nvidia-tegra-samsung-exynos-m
ediatek-chips.html

Will Windows 10 run on NVIDIA Tegra, Samsung Exynos, or MediaTek chips ???

Unlike the now-defunct Windows RT, Windows 10 on ARM will be able to run just about any Windows application including those designed to run on x86 chips. That’s because ARM-based processors have gotten a lot more powerful in recent years, allowing devices with chips like the Snapdragon 835 to emulate x86 architecture when running apps that don’t run natively on ARM.  So don’t be surprised if a year or two from now we start to see Windows 10 devices with Samsung Exynos, NVIDIA Tegra, Huawei Kirin, or MediaTek processors.

On the one hand it’s easy to see the appeal of Windows 10 on ARM: you get the same kind of low power consumption and always-connected features available on today’s smartphones… but with support for full-fledged Windows applications. That could mean laptops, tablets, and convertibles with all-day battery life, support for push notifications even when the display is off, and thin-and-light designs.

On the other hand, there have been some indications that Windows computers with Snapdragon 835 chips won’t be as fast as Android devices with the same processors, suggesting that Windows 10 isn’t really optimized for ARM just yet.

If these new always-connected computers aren’t competitive with existing Intel or AMD-powered options when it comes to price, performance, or both, then it’s unclear how much demand there will really be.


Unless Mickey can properly use all  the AI functionality that is built into the next Snapdragon 845 generation of ARM chips, then MS Win 10's performance on ARM is always going to be sub-par on those devices compared to Android and ChromeOS (leading to sub-par Windows 10 demand for those classes of machines).

Rest assured that Android AI and  Google AI on Chromebooks will always use all the ARM DynamIQ AI tricks that exist at that point in time.  These AI uses will be pre-built into each ARM chipsets use of ChromeOS and Android from the start of each yearly generation .....     Wink     ..... like starting with the Snapdragon 835's and 845's vastly improved video and camera systems that are rolling into use right now.

20-30x faster AI on ARM DynamIQ is going to phase in by layers, as each layer gets properly cooked and served that layer gets a significant speed bump.

Right now, I have to seriously question Mickey's ability to pull its finger out of its own nose
-- MS has consistently failed to do even ONE SINGLE ARM processor working well after 2 years of "take your mark, get ready, get set, GO".  

Part of this string of failure is ALLOWING Intel to block them -- and by being simply unable to successfully write native ARM drivers for their own OS system ......

Intel on the other hand has shown it is a better plotter and disruptor than it is a processor maker --- arranging to get Qualcomm bought out against their will simply to shut them up is a classic old school Intel Chipzilla move.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #847 - 12/05/17 at 00:26:12
 

A new phone tech terminology term to get all cuddly with .......

CLUSTERS

With the A-75 Big and the A-55 little DynamIQ cores (and all those various size AI blocks attached to the Mali G73 graphics section) comes the rule of "8 cores fill up a CLUSTER".

Now this is whacked, but ANY mix of A-75 bigs and A-55 littles make up a DynamIQ CLUSTER with people thinking different mixtures for different products.

Next, stir in 7nm lithography and suddenly a cluster composed of all A-75 bigs will pull similar power consumption levels at a much reduced size to what used to be used by the original 8 core count A-57 phone SoCs.

But the raw throughput, total computing power and game level graphics output of that 8 count all a-75 big core cluster is HUGE, even compared to today's Intel Core i7 chipsets.

And that is just doing "old school compute comparisons"  -- plug in a burgeoning AI and it's 20-30x throughput bonuses then suddenly you got compute power like you never ever saw it in a laptop or desktop ever before.

Blow your mind time -- you can have as many clusters as you want to have.   And you can have as few as two cores per cluster, too.

EXAMPLE:  The Centriq 2400 Qualcomm rack server chipset has 48 clusters of TWO A-75 main power cores per cluster in its current design ..... they actually got lots of room on the die to up the cores per cluster count to 4 EACH A-75 cores per cluster next year.    The upcoming lithography shrink to 7m will make it all fit just dandy on the existing die and use the same chipset ball grid array (get to re-use the existing motherboards and everything).




This sort of stuff begins for serious in 2018 and will be totally rolled in by 2020 .....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #848 - 12/05/17 at 17:24:07
 

https://youtu.be/TUoHUoVE6ZA

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/hands-hp-envy-x2-windows-tablet-snapdragon-835.ht
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https://liliputing.com/2017/12/amd-qualcomm-partner-ryzen-powered-pcs-snapdragon
-lte-modems.html

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/asus-unveils-novago-convertible-laptop-snapdragon
-835-gigabit-lte.html

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/qualcomm-introduces-snapdragon-845.html



Big day in Computerland, a landmark sort of day.

Qualcomm releases the  brand new Snapdragon 845 chipset, swinging AI and DynamIQ and all the power that comes with those items.   Things that simply do not apply to Microsoft's Windows world for anything at this point in time, these are things that apply much more to Android and Chromebooks and make them still more and more appealing.   (while Microsoft strains to catch up yet again from over a year and a half in arrears).

Yep, running most of two years "past the pale" Microsoft says they have Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipsets in Win 10 for ARM machines finally up and working, and they have FINALLY begun to land them in the real world, but they are swinging the very restrictive Win 10 S rules  (buy all apps from the Windows store all over again).  

These "buy all the software all over again" rules were written for Microsoft Win 10 S software for schools (but MS will allow you to upgrade to Win 10 Pro within 30 days if you can stand all the slowness that comes with that choice).     Yep, you are left with your old slow arsed software running emulation on you new, yet still slower Snapdragon 835 processor if you choose to take that pathway ......

Note please, these are still machines PROMISED FOR NEXT YEAR, they are not really available for sale or testing just yet ......

And yes, Win 10 ARM on Snapdragon 835 is slower that all other Win 10 machines out there -- quite a bit slower actually.

Costs seen so far are comparable to a normal Intel processor equipped laptop -- in short they are really kinda expensive right now.   YEP, $600 TO $800 per unit IS WHAT IS COMING OUT SOON FROM ASUS AND  HP.  

It is hoped that the aging 2+ year old Snapdragon 835 processors and very large amounts of competition from Chromebooks and Android phone/PCs will lower these initial Win 10 prices down into the upper Chromebook range but this has not happened yet.

Microsoft really hopes Win 10 consumers are stupid and don't read all the reviews -- this is the only explanation that has kept Mickey going for the last 5 years as the cost of a Windows Laptop has doubled and doubled again and the real performance has kept lagging further behind, running slower and slower compared to Chromebooks.    

What is coming?   Lots of competition in the marketplace, some innovation on both sides and two completely new generations of Snapdragons with AI capabilities.    (Snapdragon 845 and Snapdragon 855 to be precise)

Can Microsoft ever get current?   Can they do better than being a whole year late in keeping up with the change wave?   Coming out of the gate with a 2+ year old ARM chipset just in time to greet its brand new ARM next generation AI replacement chipset  jest isn't going to cut it, Mickey.

Not gonna cut it in any fashion at all ......    Tongue

AMD is coming across as kinda sad too, they are slamming in a Qualcomm phone modem into their latest and greatest AMD integrated laptop chipset at the very last minute in an attempt to stay somewhat relevant.   They are acting all shocked big time right now that somebody went and changed the whole game on them and they didn't even read the email until just now.

HECK FIRE, Intel is not even sitting out in the starting gate with the other guys waiting for the starting gun.   But Intel will shortly brown vapor announce the some of the same sorts of thing as AMD just did, but probably using their home grown (but not nearly as nice) phone modems.  

Eventually, mebbe sometime soon, anyway.    Mebbe.          Tongue


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The cutting edge right now is a 7nm-8nm AI powered ARM DynamIQ based cutting edge, and this makes up a clear and harsh dividing line in laptop computers right now.    You either got it, or you don't.

The upcoming 20x-30x performance divide rests right here on this 7nm-8nm AI powered ARM DynamIQ based cutting edge.

Grin

Watch them ants all scramble as the Big Round DynamIQ Shadow with the small Bright AI Spot in the middle approaches them ..... and they will still be standing around in little groups still yelling at each other when their antenna start smoking and their heads explode .....




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oooh, that AI bright spot is so bright I cannot see anything else but bright

AI is landing now, and you can tell it is really being driven by Automotive AI visual systems improvements right now because it is all graphics improvements on top of sensing improvements on top of directional/locational improvements.

2x-10x immediate improvements in video this and sensing that and video systems throughput, with only 30% increase in general compute power ringing through at the moment.   Your over the air updates will give you even better improvement numbers later on as the learning continues and the learned program results can come down to your phone in a nightly update.

AI will show better results in other areas as soon as somebody actually wants it badly enough to go "learn" it, the AI systems are already sitting there and are being used for what people want done first right at the moment.


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Don't hold your breath, but the Snapdragon 845 is really an interim chipset which is slated to be replaced this year with the Snapdragon 855 which will be run at 7-8nm lithography when that comes out from Samsung later this year.     Expect more out of that one as it is getting all the real development work from Qualcomm and Samsung at the moment.

Snapdragon 845 may be a stopgap, but it isn't a bad stopgap by any means.  The Snapdragon 845 is said to be offer a 30 percent boost in graphics performance, 30 percent better power efficiency, and 2.5 times faster in display throughput.



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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #849 - 12/07/17 at 01:15:34
 

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/12/always-connected-windows-pcs-wont-just-u
se-arm-chips-as-intel-amd-join-the-fray/

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/mobile-communicatio...



Intel poots out a real BROWN VAPOR DECEPTION response that is simply amazingly BAD on several fronts

You have seen the pictures of the 835 and 845 SoC from Qualcomm several times over the last year -- yes the entire shebang really is that small.   Smaller than a penny.  Slightly smaller than the Intel thing shown above in the response photo Intel has just put out.

So, Intel has come up with a fraudulently misleading set of images and text saying they are coming out with their "response" to Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845 and it will look like this ......   Hey, go look at it again closely, just to see if you can spot the fraud

What is wrong is that thing shown isn't the entire shebang, it is JUST the separate Intel phone modem chipset which really is just as big as the entire Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 SoC   a Qualcomm SoC which really does include 8 CPU cores, a GPU, 3 megabytes of L-2 memory, a base band, a modem and everything else needed to run a real, functional computer.

Intel doesn't bother to show their viewing customers the rest of the HUGE SEPARATE CPU and GPU and all the rest of the motherboard mounted crap that have to exist on a HUGE power sucking Intel motherboard.  

This whole Intel announcement is EXTREMELY MISLEADING to say the least.    Intel trusts their Intel customer base to be so absolutely blind, ignorant and uncaring as to not even notice they are being lied to by Intel yet again .....


Tongue   Intel also claims their chip density is greater than everybody else, but their modem chipset alone by itself is bigger than a whole complete Qualcomm SoC.
How is that possible again, Intel ????






So, Intel really has no response except some visual / perceptional based BROWN VAPOR DECEPTION at this point in time.    

And their visual / perceptional deception also actually proves that they also lied about their superior "chip density" ....





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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #850 - 12/11/17 at 07:22:54
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/intel-launches-low-power-gemini-lake-chips-pentiu
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For the last few years Intel has been using the Celeron and Pentium names to describe both chips based on the same low-cost, low-power architecture as its Atom processors, and on its higher-performance (and cost) Core architecture.

Now an Atom-based Pentium is called Pentium Silver, while a Core-based Pentium is called Pentium Gold. That saves you the trouble of looking up a model number if you want to figure out what kind of Pentium chip you’re looking at. Unfortunately there’s still no easy way to tell whether you’re looking at a Gemini Lake Celeron or a Core-based one without looking at the model number.

Anyway, if you’re wondering why you’d want the less powerful Pentium Silver rather than Pentium Gold, here’s a hint: Intel describes them as “the cost-optimized option in the Pentium processor family,” while Pentium Gold chips are higher-cost models based on Intel Kaby Lake (Core) architecture.

Intel says you should be able to get up to 10 hours of playback while watching HD video on a device with a Gemini Lake processor an a 35 Wh battery.

As AnandTech notes, the new chips may have a lot in common with their Apollo Lake predecessors, but they’re not pin-to-pin compatible, which means PC makers can’t just recycle existing motherboard designs. That could affect the decision of if or when to release updates to existing laptops or desktops as a new motherboard is 100% required.


So, the old Atom chipsets run at 14nm get a new name (once again).

Question becomes, when the new ARM SoCs are here right now with 20hrs of run time and two weeks of standby time with WiFi and cell tower data streams Always On and possessing both speed and AI throughput that makes ARM SoCs FASTER than all of Intel's old Atom derivatives, pulling much better graphics and costing less money .....


Tongue          ..... why is it that you need the old Intel Atom class of processors at all ???


See Intel churn all their old Atom chipset names one more time at 14nm --- jest real busy rearranging them deck chairs on the Titanic while the ship is slowly sinking under them .....


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Poor Intel, late on the same day as they pooted out their just barely renamed Atom old style 14nm processors, AMD went and announced an entire span of AI wielding (some with Qualcomm radios built into them) BRAND NEW laptop chipsets running on a just released 10-12nm Global Foundry processes.

Adding salt to Chipzilla's open wounds, Google and Microsoft jointly announced anti-trust support for Qualcomm in order to resist the hostile take-over attempts by Broadcom as "anti-competitive, coercive and intentionally restrictive" to put it out in plain speak that the lawyers would never use.  

Intel was not mentioned by the Google/Microsoft response, but Apple was clearly called out as one of the takeover instigators.   This clearly throws the Broadcom take-over attempt into the hands of the anti-trust regulators since the takeover has been called out as "objectionable" by the majority of the industry's major players.

Hock Tan represents a foreign (Chinese/Malaysian) interest in this, which puts his bid in the worst possible light for a Republican regulator.

Intel may be simply fated to get ground up in the struggle between the Big Boys, since they no longer are of a primary concern in this "steal a market" action, being too obsolete and too market share limited to fight effectively for either side in other words.
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Reply #851 - 12/14/17 at 07:01:35
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/amd-ryzen-35w-65w-laptop-chips-way.html



AMD’s first Ryzen Mobile chips aimed at laptops are 15 watt quad-core processors like the Ryzen 5 2500U and Ryzen 7 2700U. They’re designed to compete with Intel’s mainstream laptop chips like the Core i5-8250U and Core i7-8550U.

But what about chips for higher performance laptops for users who value raw horsepower over long battery life? It looks like AMD’s got those too.

A leaked product slide provides a few details about upcoming AMD Ryzen Mobile chips that will come in 65 watt and 35 watt versions and offer up to AMD Vega 11 graphics.

If the slide is legit, here’s what we can expect:

Ryzen 3 2200G with 4 cores, 4 threads and Vega 8 graphics (512 stream processors)
Ryzen 5 2400G with 4 cores, 8 threads, and Vega 11 graphics (702 stream processors)
Both are expected to come in 35W and 65W versions.

There’s no word on the CPU speed or graphics clock speed. But it seems like these new G Series chips are going to pack a lot more power than AMD’s U series processors if and when they make it to market.
   


AMD is uncloaking some new powerhouse APU laptop chipsets that include some major CPU horsepower, amazing integrated GPU graphics and enough AI "stream processors" to choke a horse.   This is more power than has ever been used in a laptop before, (unless you go "super Surface with a Xenon processor" that is).

Intel is still pushing an overly expensive Intel CPU, somebody else's GPU and no stream processors (nor any AI block of any kind) .....      ie non-competitive

Meanwhile, AMD's newest laptop chipsets look to threaten Intel's main PC chipsets as far as horsepower goes, especially when the AI blocks become fully utilized.  

Being more than a bit over the top, it is CONJECTURED that these were being made specifically for Apple laptops.

If so, expect them to come out at the 8nm Apple standard for this year's production and be replaced by something better at 6-7nm for next year.
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https://liliputing.com/2017/12/reports-samsung-and-xiaomi-to-launch-windows-10-o
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Poor Intel    

Reports: Samsung and Xiaomi to launch Windows 10 on Snapdragon devices



In terms of raw horsepower, early benchmarks suggest Windows devices with Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 835 processor tend to perform about as well as a machine with an Intel Apollo Lake low-power processor in terms of raw horsepower, while models with Qualcomm chips are expected to sell for higher prices than computers with their Intel counterparts. So the emphasis will be on the always-on, always-connected, ultraportable features.

The Asus NovaGo, for instances, is a 13.3 inch convertible laptop with up to 22 hours of battery life and a $599 starting price, while the HP Envy x2 is a 12.3 inch 2-in-1 tablet that weighs 1.5 pounds, measures 0.3 inches thick, and offers up to 20 hours of battery life (and pricing TBA).

Fudzilla speculates that Xiaomi, which has made a name for itself by selling low-cost, high-quality electronics will undercut some of its competitors on price. What remains to be seen is whether Xiaomi’s Windows on ARM devices will be sold in the US and Europe or if they’ll be confined to other markets where Xiaomi does business such as China and India.


The Hockey Stick guys are ringing in now, so the prices will begin to plummet now.    Still not anywhere even near a Chromebook price range at this time though.

Wink       jest wait until the Mediatek and Huawei chipsets get Win 10 on them .....   Intel has been kicked to the curb, and you will see this get clearer as the next 2 years roll by.    

Also remember using that new DynamIQ Cluster tech, these low end Hockey Stick Guys can build them a canned ARM prequalified design for an Intel desktop killer at will now.    

Xiaomi looks at Intel and just sees another huge juicy market that is ready to be taken over by Xiaomi.
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Hope of some extra competition on your internet bills


https://liliputing.com/2017/12/att-begins-airgig-trials-gigabit-wireless-interne
t-wherever-power-lines-available.html

https://liliputing.com/2017/12/high-speed-internet-delivered-by-lasers-coming-to
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The two services have in common ..... using long distance WiFi to go the last part of a mile to your house.

AT&T uses existing wired service to get to their last mile zone.

Google can use lasers go go direct to an end hub, then fiber optic to get to the last mile zone and then run on Wifi for that last mile.   Google is also willing to go up in the air to tethered balloons to get more than 10 mile coverage per end station and to use free floating balloons instead of aimed lasers or wires or any combo of the above to get to those end stations.  

(using various methods make sense due to geography and conditions)  

India has no rules to violate, so Google is experimenting where they have no entrenched laws to trip over like they have in the USA.
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India has no rules to violate, so Google is experimenting where they have no entrenched laws to trip over like they have in the USA.

So, no regulations to work around and service providers are working to see what they can do to provide services?
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