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Electro Magnetic Drive (no fuel 10 weeks to Mars)
01/05/16 at 05:53:40
 

http://www.sciencealert.com/the-em-drive-still-producing-mysterious-thrust-af...



Three quick facts:

1)    The original is still working and is still making its very small thrust level -- very constant.

2)    Since it is so cheap to build, single individuals are building them, and getting very small measured thrust out of them.   It can be replicated easily in a high school science lab.   Look to see them in science fairs all over the place this year.

3)    Mainstream scientists still are saying "gotta be some sort of measurement error".
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Re: Electro Magnetic Drive (no fuel 10 weeks to Ma
Reply #1 - 01/05/16 at 07:05:23
 
If testing is needed put one on the bottom of a existing satellite (like the ISS) and boost it to a new orbit.
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Reply #2 - 01/08/16 at 08:24:36
 
verslagen1 wrote on 01/05/16 at 07:05:23:
If testing is needed put one on the bottom of a existing satellite (like the ISS) and boost it to a new orbit.


I think scale sizing is the problem.. so far the smaller units seem to be producing the best results...

I personally would like to see musk or one of the other companies, throw one up there, point it outward away from us, turn on a transmitter and light it up to see what it would do.  Cheesy
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Re: Electro Magnetic Drive (no fuel 10 weeks to Ma
Reply #3 - 01/09/16 at 04:03:41
 

The inferences for this "no fuel" drive in the future are quite large -- the asteroid belt will be available for mining by remote drones, etc.

Radar sense a likely looking chunk of core material, bump your drone up against it and apply a metered thrust, see how fast it accelerates, calculate the mass and if it is "high density ore" latch on to it and boost for home.

And yes, the current processing levels of a self-driving car could handle this sort of remote mining drone.   The smelter could be a local to the asteroid belt bulk fission plant as there is lots of raw fissionable fuel in that high density ore and the melted and gravity sorted ores could then be boosted for home by transit drones.

The arrived once sorted crude slab stock could be refined again and then would be suitable for use in orbiting automated space plants for building lots of various stuff.

Then one trip down the space cable from the orbiting bob to the base station for what the Earth needs and all the rest goes off to the stars with the exiting human population of the Great Diaspora.


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Reply #4 - 01/09/16 at 08:02:30
 
I'm with OR. I'd like to see someone put up a good performing EM drive on a small, say 100lb cube sat, and turn it on. Use telemetry to determine speed. That would give exact thrust numbers in space, tested performance data that would allow someone to build a ship, sat, drone, or whatever was needed powered by one or more of them.
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Reply #6 - 01/09/16 at 22:07:39
 
I like it Sero! when can you ship me one?  Grin Cheesy Wink Cool

Seriously, Musk should get the lab to build him one, his team would get the credit for it, it would take only one stage of rocket (which is now retrievable), so it would be a fairly cheap investment for future products.
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Reply #7 - 01/10/16 at 00:05:47
 

One immediate use for a self-fueled self-powered drone could be to re-position existing satellites that have failing orbits.  

Or, to go clean up all the space crap that has accumulated in orbits over the years.   De-accel it until it gets close to atmosphere kiss, then speed the drone back up to go get the next piece of junk.



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Reply #8 - 01/11/16 at 22:26:58
 
Really would like to go up there for a couple months at a time.... with a "Sanford and Son" ship, and either push the junk into earths gravity well (to burn up) or propel it toward the sun.
Wonder if Musk is planning something? Maybe i'll email him! LOL Smiley
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Upon reading up a bit, all that ugly low orbit space junk is self-cleaning due to gas drag from the outermost wiffs of Earth's atmosphere that are constantly being blown out there during solar flares, etc. then slowly returned to the surface by gravity -- all of that low orbit stuff hits this faint air resistance all the time and very slowly comes back to burn up naturally over time.

I did not realize both SkyLab and MIR orbiting complexes have both already come back down due to low orbit air wiff drag effects already.

What is up there now in the low orbit green zone has to be maintained by occasional rocket action by the objects themselves.

The stuff in the colored band is self-cleaning, the outermost stuff would require a drone to push to either speed it away (a lot of push) or to slow it down (less push).    You could just push it down into the green zone and let mother nature take care of it over time .....



http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-damage-could-be-caused-by-a...

Now, if you want something scary -- like it has actually happened twice while our parents and us have been alive -- read about massive solar storms that DO occur repeatedly on a long term 11 year cycle.

One analysis looked at a 1921 storm—which was ten times more powerful than the 1989 event—and estimated that if it occurred today, it would leave some 130 million people without power, potentially affecting water and food distribution, heating and air conditioning, sewage disposal and a host of other aspects of the infrastructure we take for granted daily. The total cost of an even larger storm, such as the 1859 event, could be enormous: an estimated $1 to $2 trillion in the first year alone, and a total recovery that could take 4 to 10 years in total.
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