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WD Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Professional "scooter trash". Posts: 5207 Rosemark TN Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #15 - 12/17/15 at 10:04:15 Actually, seeing as the S40 is a brand new 1975 motorcycle... you could classify it multiple ways. Entry level retro is pretty much accurate though.
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Reply #16 - 12/17/15 at 11:15:34

While it's true that the S40 has been unchanged since 1993, and retro is certainly a good description for it, I'd still be a lot more comfortable putting a brand new rider on something that fits the entry level description a little better. The Honda Rebel 250 or Nighthawk 250, Suzuki GZ250 or GW250, Hyosung GV250, or GW250 are all beginner entry level bikes and would make a good start for literally anyone. The Honda CBR250, Kawasaki Ninja 250, or Hyosung GT250 would get my nod for someone who was interested in starting out on a sport bike. The torque of the S40 combined with it's nervous handling characteristics would rule it out for me and I would never recommend it to a beginner. My 2¢

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Reply #17 - 12/17/15 at 12:00:31

I believe the Savage could be a bike for a new rider.....I don't agree it should be the bike that they get on for their first ever attempt to ride a motorcycle.

A Savage will work just fine once the new rider has gotten the coordination required to use the throttle/clutch/brakes in unison. It has just a bit too much torque for someone that is still a bit clumsy with the throttle control.

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Reply #19 - 12/19/15 at 23:36:45

Let's be honest, a lot of 16-25 year olds don't ride responsibly, they're immortal and you can't blame them for that. A year or so ago I shuffled into a Hyosung dealer because there was a 650cc thingy that cost less than $10000 NZ. The salesman told me it was NZ LAMS compliant. He then proceeded to tell me that if you took two bolts out you could remove a throttle restrictor which upped the horse power from about 52 to eighty something and gave well in excess of 100 mph max. This is why I regard our beloved Savage/S40 as entry level.
PS, even with the restrictor in the Hyosung thingy it would still reach or closely approach the ton and our stock bikes won't

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #20 - 12/19/15 at 23:40:42 When I got the Guzzi, I was really considering a Hyosung.
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Reply #21 - 12/20/15 at 01:12:35

Hyosung/Suzuki practically interchangeable...They have been partners since 1979. Look at any Hyosung motor and you'll see the same designs and standards. Hyosung gets a bad wrap from a lot of people for one thing or another, but I've owned both and I'm equally pleased with both. I loved my Hyosung GV250. If I hadn't wrecked it I wouldn't have an S40 today. I needed something to take its place and the S40 was on the menu at the right price that day.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #22 - 12/20/15 at 08:30:52 Option Kawasaki 250 or 300 Hyosung 250. This is not just an intellectual exercise, I'm getting healthier and I'm looking for a light but peppy bike. Where's an RD 400 when you need one?
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Reply #23 - 12/20/15 at 10:53:09

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/20/15 at 08:30:52:

Option

Kawasaki 250 or 300
Hyosung 250.

This is not just an intellectual exercise, I'm getting healthier and I'm looking for a light but peppy bike.

Where's an RD 400 when you need one?

If you're not concerned about budget then the Kawasaki 300 is a win and that will retain its resale value for ages. If you want a great out of pocket value then I'd go Hyosung. You can get it for half the cost of the 300, but resale value will not be there for you if you ever decide to sell. I would say that for my money I wouldn't go with any of those. I'm getting a Honda CBR500R next month and it's the best value of them all. Seriously, look into it. What a great all around bike, and the ergonomics are perfect!

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28663 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #24 - 12/20/15 at 10:54:03 JOG, I rode a Honda cbr250 up Mt. Lemmon,... pretty fun, zippy little machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CBR250R_%282011%29 ...but,.. what's wrong with another Savage?... ...if you want, really light... check out a Yamaha 225 Serow... 240lbs wet. It'll get you to 70mph...
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Reply #25 - 12/20/15 at 22:12:17

My body is weak from sitting so much. Rotator cuff issues, a knee I can't trust,, and the Savage was sometimes a bit of a handful as I came to a stop. If I'm gonna drop one, stopping, the feet down and stopped moment, that's when.
I've gotten out of a car and been unable to walk straight.. I get a bit off balance from moving. I feel fine, while I'm moving. I just can't afford to get overloaded and hurt my shoulders.

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Reply #26 - 12/20/15 at 23:12:05

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/20/15 at 22:12:17:

My body is weak from sitting so much. Rotator cuff issues, a knee I can't trust,, and the Savage was sometimes a bit of a handful as I came to a stop. If I'm gonna drop one, stopping, the feet down and stopped moment, that's when.
I've gotten out of a car and been unable to walk straight.. I get a bit off balance from moving. I feel fine, while I'm moving. I just can't afford to get overloaded and hurt my shoulders.

If that's a concern for you then I would certainly caution you against the Ninja 250 or 300 and the Hyosung GT250 is out of the question. The more aggressive the riding posture the more you're going to risk your shoulders. I would strongly recommend you look at the Honda CB500F. Upright riding posture, great ergonomics, zippy engine, low vibration, great value, and buttery smooth delivery of power (nearly 50hp) make this one to look at for you.
http://powersports.honda.com/2015/cb500f.aspx

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Reply #28 - 12/21/15 at 17:22:48

verslagen1 wrote on 12/15/15 at 08:28:03:

I'm sure gear selection had something to do with what's available.
But if you look at a dyno curve...
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/dynorunS40dj.jpg

You see that the torque curve is quite broad, top 10% goes from 2500 to 5500.
Whereas the top 10% of hp only goes from 4500 to maybe 6200.
We can see from the speed chart peak torque occurs from 60 to 70 mph in 5th.
I hear that's optimum for mpg.

I get 48-50 mpg at 50-55 if im traveling at 70mph im down to 40-42 mpg but I weight 350 lbs.

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chzeckmate Serious Thumper Offline Be the person your dog thinks you are Posts: 514 Houston, Texas Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #29 - 12/21/15 at 19:07:34 Art Webb wrote on 12/21/15 at 08:28:20: I seriously want that F model If you want the F model now just wait until you sit on one and feel the ergonomics of it. You're stomach will flutter and you'll feel incomplete. Honda really has outdone themselves with these three bikes.
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