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Reply #15 - 12/14/15 at 19:16:09
 
It's not my thread and no one mentioned WWII dates and US invasion until Hovis came in out of left field.
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Reply #16 - 12/14/15 at 19:26:36
 
Ohh, it's Not your thread, yet, you're unhappy, and the OP is okay, and I think I saw mention of dates before hovis said hoot.

Holler and squawk, whatever.
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Reply #17 - 12/14/15 at 19:37:31
 
I give Jog.
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Reply #18 - 12/14/15 at 20:45:54
 
Mark, in reply #6 you talked of "a closing date" on violence.

You then finished by saying "Any thoughts on that?"

I typed my thoughts on the subject in response.

I believe it to be relevant, as do others.

Changing your question from using the words 'closing date?' to 'open-ended?' ...... it's still the same question  Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - 12/14/15 at 20:53:18
 
" ... At some point, stupid starts looking like camouflage for sabotage.   ....,"
   
This is very interesting, because, tonight I was at a Auction,  tools, (like I need more), Estate, Local, well liked person. Guessing at the start, (where their were 450 numbers out),  probably 1/5 were related by blood or marriage to the deceased.

Anyway while talking to a fellow who I know, (who has/still does, driven a Propane truck for the last 35 years, and knows a LOT of, ‘local’, people).   He said the thought, he was getting, from people he talked to was; ‘Bama Don’t want to leave’,  and, Bama, is going to, allow, or, ‘orchestrate’, as much $hit as he can.  So he can, ‘just before the election’, declare, “Martial Law”,  (for the ‘greater good’, of course), to continue on being the POTUS.

Now, I think, that is, Complete, full size,   ’tin foil hat stuff’,  that it would be successful, ONLY IF, the, ‘wanna be King’, succeeded, in taking away firearms, from the Citizens, (which the last 7 years have been tried with a full court press).

BUT, if the, ‘Fairy Dust’ Sprinklers, WERE, successful, in removing the way for a Citizen of the USA to, DEFEND.  Perhaps a, ’tin foil,  ‘beanie’. ?

Don’t know.  Just heard this idea tonight, from people, in this County, (Who, unlike the rest of MN, are Very Conservative people).

And for  Hovis: who said: “ … the score at the moment (postwar) is 103 ‘invasions’ to 0 ‘invaded by’. ..."

Can you think of a reason, that the Japanese, after they decimated Pearl Harbor, did not move on to the Mainland of the U.S, and Invade,  (to which the Admiral of the Japanese fleet, was severally chastised for).   And he gave his, ‘reason’, After the War ended ?

And, Hovis, you do not consider that,  ’Terrorist’, attacks, like 9/11, (Fort Hood, Boston, Calf, etc, etc, etc, etc,) are, Invasion?  Because you have NOT, added them to, your, list ?

Or is, 'invasion', only, when their are feet on the ground.
Or is, 'invasion', only when delivered by airplane, or missile.
Apparently, 'invasion, is NOT, when a person straps a bomb to their back,  or, sets one down on a crowded street, or, when 2 people attack, a, 'Gun free Zone',.



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Reply #20 - 12/14/15 at 21:15:45
 
Quote MnS:
"Apparently, 'invasion, is NOT, ......"
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I chose the generally-accepted/dictionary version of "invasion", sorry for any confusion.

Edit; Japan/Pearl Harbor is for a different thread. But, I think I'll share this to wet your appetite:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/
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Reply #21 - 12/15/15 at 09:00:26
 
Maybe he said it, maybe not, but would have been correct. Americans would have swarmed the invaders.
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Reply #22 - 12/15/15 at 09:20:10
 
I agree with Mark that it's off topic...

But, when in Rome...

Why not meddle in affairs?
The affairs of other countries are not our concern. It's my personal belief that these events should be allowed to play out organically until such point as involvement becomes necessary (TO A DEGREE).

What I'm saying, my personal belief here, is that if there is another Axis of Evil we should get involved. If there is another Pearl Harbor, we should get involved. If there's an uprising in the Middle East, we should NOT get involved.

But, on the other side of the coin:
The US is (was?) the leading super power so why wouldn't it be our responsibility to act as the older sibling and guide the younger brethren? Other countries are not our concern, but as the leading power don't we have an obligation to help them? And to what end?


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Reply #23 - 12/15/15 at 09:38:10
 
LOOK at the places where We have HELPED. Would you want some help ?
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Reply #24 - 12/15/15 at 11:03:07
 
That's another discussion... like how we use NGA's to subvert native governments.


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Reply #25 - 12/15/15 at 11:18:47
 
HovisPresley wrote on 12/14/15 at 21:15:45:
 " ... Edit; Japan/Pearl Harbor is for a different thread. But, I think I'll share this to wet your appetite: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/  



Their is very often stated ‘quote’ by General Dwight D. Eisenhower. (on Holocaust denial)

“Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
That was a Paraphrase. And has been stated Many times, Long before the Internet, was even invented.

What, Eisenhower did say, In a Letter:
"The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit [to Gotha] deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”.

And already, their has been a group of people that have said, “The Holocaust never happened”.

(Kinna like,  ‘Man never landed on the Moon', or, ’The world is flat’.)

Isoroku Yamamoto has been attributed to saying: “ I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”   No definite written or recorded proof of that, (Statement thanks to Hollywood).  So it is probably a paraphrase of what he DID say, and is proven that he did:  “ A military man can scarcely pride himself on having "smitten a sleeping enemy"; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack.”

Also, Isoroku Yamamoto has been attributed to saying: “ You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass”   No definite written or recorded proof of that either. So probably a paraphrase, and combination to two things he Actually said: “In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success.” and, “The fiercest serpent may be overcome by a swarm of ants.”

(It took just 6 months until the Japanese defeat at Midway)

I wonder what, your thoughts would be to the quote:  “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.”, attributed to  Margaret Thatcher.  Which were not, the, ‘exact’ words she said.  The, ‘EXACT’ words she said were: "I would much prefer to bring them down as soon as possible. I think they've made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country for a very long time, and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they're now trying to control everything by other means. They're progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people.
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Reply #26 - 12/15/15 at 19:30:48
 
So now to Ike, the Holocaust, Thatcher and socialism ?

"What a tangled thread we weave....."
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Reply #27 - 12/15/15 at 21:13:16
 
This thread is a mess! Shocked How come it many of you can go rambling on about nonsensical politics/conspiracy stuff? The best thread here is that video on page 1 of this thread. Clear as a bell, and strikes at the heart of the topic. I'm not even trying to get this nonsense.
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Reply #28 - 12/15/15 at 21:31:05
 
cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/15/15 at 21:13:16:
This thread is a mess! Shocked How come it many of you can go rambling on about nonsensical politics/conspiracy stuff? The best thread here is that video on page 1 of this thread. Clear as a bell, and strikes at the heart of the topic. I'm not even trying to get this nonsense.

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You mean you didn't enjoy the story about the guy with the propane truck and the auction?  Shocked  Grin
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Reply #29 - 12/15/15 at 21:41:54
 
HovisPresley wrote on 12/15/15 at 21:31:05:
cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/15/15 at 21:13:16:
This thread is a mess! Shocked How come it many of you can go rambling on about nonsensical politics/conspiracy stuff? The best thread here is that video on page 1 of this thread. Clear as a bell, and strikes at the heart of the topic. I'm not even trying to get this nonsense.

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You mean you didn't enjoy the story about the guy with the propane truck and the auction?  Shocked  Grin


Huh? Shocked Shocked

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