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Okay, let's not discriminate. Don't let anyone in. Happy now?

oldNslow wrote on 12/11/15 at 18:54:46:


no Irish, no Jews, no Italians, no Germans, no "Natives" etc, etc, etc = no U.S.A.


so if I'm a radical of any sort would I claim it?

I don't know what the answer is but baring  ANY one religion, race,
sect, is NOT

Serowbot wrote on 12/11/15 at 07:52:24:




So, you agree that there is potential for bad guys to get in.
That timeline, generated in your imagination, deciding for terrorists how much patience they'd have. Getting in is getting IN. A fake passport can be correct in every way, except the name.

So, since we can't have a cocoon of safety and you're willing to accept that, then why don't you stop pretending that we WOULD have a cocoon of safety if only we'd give up our guns.

I can't be Certain my house isn't gonna burn, but I keep extinguishers handy and I don't invite pyromaniacs in. Look AT the Refugees. Note the number of lone , military age, males.
Since past policy decisions have worked so well, pardon me for seeing the potential fail here.

The recent shooting mess, as it unwind, shows communications that the FBI  was aware of, but, didn't raise any red flags..

Have I mentioned that the powers that be NEED sufficient social chaos in order to justify  
Saving us from danger, by taking our rights.

Wait and see.

If someone believes prudence is cowardly, adopt a Muslim.
I don't CARE what the world thinks.
Have the rapes and murders not been enough? Look at Yurp.
The terrorists in Ca. were ready, and determined,, how about the ones coming in. From a place WE had a hand in destroying. Many of them are ANGRY.

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Well, Row, statements made, and countered. Time to move on to another topic?
I'd rather see someone take my post and demonstrate Why it's not accurate and reasonable.


I'm kinda surprised Pesci isn't weighing in here.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/11/15 at 22:29:53:



I quoted that. I didn't type it, or drag it here. I guess you erased your post. Didn't say it was your thread..

Paraquat wrote on 12/14/15 at 11:05:15:


Have you heard of the Cloward Piven Strategy?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty"

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pg wrote on 12/14/15 at 16:43:53:


there's some evidence that Richard Nixon supported this idea as well as Milton Friedman who wanted a weird negative income tax that was kind of the same thing.


"In its purest form a NIT (Negative Income Tax) promised a revolution in American social policy. Gone would be the intrusive and costly welfare bureaucracy, the pernicious distinctions between "worthy" and "unworthy" recipients, the perverse disincentives for work effort and family formation. The needy would, like everyone else, simply file annual—or perhaps quarterly—income returns with the Internal Revenue Service. But unlike other filers who would make payments to the IRS, based on the amount by which their incomes exceeded the threshold for tax liability, NIT beneficiaries would receive payments ("negative taxes") from the IRS, based on how far their incomes fell below the tax threshold."

LostArtist wrote on 12/14/15 at 20:25:41:

" ...
"In its purest form a NIT (Negative Income Tax) promised a revolution in American social policy. ... "

In it’s, ‘Purest Form”,  Communism also works.  (On Paper, in it’s, ‘Purest Form”)

Late 60’s early 70’s. A group of people, would form, a, ‘Commune’.
In the summer, the wood cutters, sat on the porch drinking mint juleps, and smoking a Dubie, while other toiled in the garden, under the hot sun.   Then in the winter, when the wood cutters were outside, cutting wood at -10, so the gardeners, could sit inside by the warm fire, drinking mint juleps, and smoking a Dubie.

Look at  the old, U.S.S.R..   Mom and Pop, milked cows, and farmed crops. They, used to, sell those crops and milk. but now this, WONDERFUL THING, called, Communism/Socialism, came to be.  So now, they just do, what they, ‘have’ to do, as per the guberment.    

Then the, Decent happened !

 Communism,  DID NOT WORK.
Cloward–Piven strategy, (NIT), would NEVER work.

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