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Ethanol fuel article
12/11/15 at 04:51:00

Bike Bandit has a pretty good article about ethanol fuel.
http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/e15-and-beyond-what-you-need-to-know-abou...

The only thing I didn't see in their article that should be considered...is the blender pump problem. The hose of the blender pump will have some of the fuel that the previous owner was buying in the hose and fill valve - so you may well get a dose of E15 or E85 in your tank when you are buying E10 fuel. This has been a concern when you have a motorcycle that requires premium fuel and you use a blender pump where the previous owner got regular....you are getting a quart or so of regular before the premium fills the hose - and this same situation (only worse) will occur if the previous fill was with E85!

I have found a couple of local gas stations that still have separate hoses for each grade of fuel, and I fuel up at those stations when I can.

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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #1 - 12/11/15 at 05:49:42 I find it completely humorous, that once upon a time, the oil industry waged a "morality" war on alcohol to monopolize the market and drive out "home brewers" of alcohol based fuels. Now, they're claiming to be "saviors" of the planet thru "green" initiatives like this. I call shenanigans.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28660 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #2 - 12/11/15 at 07:31:42 a 30% hit to power?... Say hello to my 250 Savage... ...
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Art Webb Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3007 columbus, Texas Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #3 - 12/11/15 at 07:38:38 our tax dollars at work....enriching big agra
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #4 - 12/11/15 at 07:50:54 Monsatan and the GMO corn, which naturally requires more and more Roundup, so, glyphosates are building up. I'm sure it's all okay . FDA, and the EPA, they are surely doing a great job.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6068 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #5 - 12/11/15 at 08:54:35 wifey has a flex fuel focus mileage drops 3-4 mpg city with E85 and noticeable power loss not worth it
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28660 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #6 - 12/11/15 at 09:00:22 Is E85 really that much cheaper than regular?... If so,.. I'd take the hit in power and economy,... I wouldn't take the hit on mechanical reliability... They gotta' do something about that...
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old.indian Serious Thumper Offline Fighting Foreign Terrorism since 1492 Posts: 975 Central New Mexico Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #7 - 12/11/15 at 10:53:36 10% ethanol = 10% REDUCTION in gas mileage (MPG) as noted in 2005 Monte Carlo (3.4 V6) 2009 F150 (4.2 V6) and 2006 S40 (652 cc single).
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Re: Ethanol fuel article
Reply #8 - 12/11/15 at 11:02:14

old.indian wrote on 12/11/15 at 10:53:36:

10% ethanol = 10% REDUCTION in gas mileage (MPG) as noted in 2005 Monte Carlo (3.4 V6) 2009 F150 (4.2 V6) and 2006 S40 (652 cc single).

I had the same experience with my Chevy 1/2 ton pickup when the Ethanol fuel first showed up in this area. I consistently got 400 miles between fillups, then suddenly the miles dropped to 360 between fillups. I kept working on my truck to find out what had happened, and plugs, air filter, fuel system cleaner...nothing helped.

Then one week I happened to be down in Maysville, KY when I was low on fuel and I filled up - and daggumit that tank of fuel went for 400 miles just like it used to. That is when I first discovered the 3 Northern Kentucky counties all had an Agreement with the EPA to sell the E10 fuel before the other counties started selling it......it was an "Air Quality" issue as we are in the Cincinnati, OH urban area.

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Re: Ethanol fuel article
Reply #9 - 12/11/15 at 12:33:43

The EPA's requirements for ethanol had a negative impact on the average American.. Less corn available caused an increase cost for animal feed (higher cost per pound at the supermarket ), higher cost for any food products using corn byproducts, less MPG = more fuel to travel/haul products the same distances (which increases the cost of products now on the shelf too). True ethanol does reduce certain emission gasses, BUT it INCREASES the amount of CO2 (the primary green house gas.) Note that they shy away from any comment on the "carbon footprint" of ethanol production, from plowing the ground, seeding, fertilizing (a whole "foot print" in commercial fertilizer production), harvesting, transportation, and actual production. OH, and less I forget, it cost to add the ethanol, so a gallon of the 10% mixture will cost you more at the gas pump.
No Doubt about it. We have the very best government that money can buy........ Wink

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6068 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #10 - 12/11/15 at 12:55:21 not to mention the water necessary for production
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Ethanol fuel article Reply #11 - 12/12/15 at 18:31:34 If I'm not mistaken, the use of alcohol fuel requires the use of larger carb jets (a richer mixture). Yet another reason to rejet
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Re: Ethanol fuel article
Reply #12 - 12/13/15 at 17:30:55

You all need to consider that the farmland given to the GMO corn to make the gas is land Not used for food crops. Increasing the price of food.
I sat and listened to a woman who was quite proud of the fact that she owned a Big farm, raising soybeans and getting Ooodles of money in subsidies from the government.
Think about it. What about the saviors of the world, raising the corn,and how much fuel is burned, plowing and cleaning, in preparation for planting, planting, water for irrigation, power to pump that water, applying pesticides, harvesting,

Anyone REALLY believe that all happens and we are saving ANYthing?
Shenanigans... big, male, Shenanigans...

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Re: Ethanol fuel article
Reply #14 - 12/14/15 at 03:54:11

Kris01 wrote on 12/13/15 at 20:48:11:

Anyone else notice that 89 octane is cheaper than 87 in the pic? Huh

I hadn't noticed that, and even more weird is that the 89 comes from the same hose as the E15 and E85......so when you use that hose you are could get a high dose of ethanol if the previous person bought the E85. This wouldn't make much difference in a 20 gallon tank in a car - but if you were just buying a gallon to two it could make a big difference.

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