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Reply #30 - 12/04/15 at 12:53:01
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 11:50:08:
But seriously,... If you had had a pistol in a room filled with 30 innocent people,.. and 2 people came in with ar-15's blazing, wearing full body armor... would you have pulled your weapon?...
...making yourself the focus in that room?...

Do you expect 70 virgins as a reward?...



If I was well trained, I'd probably fare better than two armed guards. The perps would shoot them first because they're obvious, but they wouldn't even pay attention to me Wink.

It kinda depends on the details of the situation.
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Reply #31 - 12/04/15 at 12:58:10
 
In most close quarter situations you might be as well off, or better, armed with a table leg...

JMHO  Cool...
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Reply #32 - 12/04/15 at 12:59:06
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 11:50:08:
But seriously,... If you had had a pistol in a room filled with 30 innocent people,.. and 2 people came in with ar-15's blazing, wearing full body armor... would you have pulled your weapon?...
...making yourself the focus in that room?...

Do you expect 70 virgins as a reward?...


Yes, I would, you're in a room, you're already the focus.
It may take a second to size up the situation...
But
If I had a book, I'd throw it.
If I had a pencil, I'd throw it.
If I had a chair, I'd charge.
If I were already a ghost, I'd poke'm in the eye.
with every last bit of my being.
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Reply #33 - 12/04/15 at 13:05:13
 
If I'm ever in that situation,... I want Versy there... Cool...
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Reply #34 - 12/04/15 at 13:06:37
 
Indeed, you do bring up a good point, firearms do begin to lose their effectiveness, in my opinion in very close quarter confrontations. Obviously, if someone is close enough to take the gun away from you, there is going to be trouble, especially if you don't know what you're doing. However, when farther than arms length, or club's length anyway, a gun would be quite helpful.
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Reply #35 - 12/04/15 at 13:09:35
 
verslagen1 wrote on 12/04/15 at 12:59:06:
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 11:50:08:
But seriously,... If you had had a pistol in a room filled with 30 innocent people,.. and 2 people came in with ar-15's blazing, wearing full body armor... would you have pulled your weapon?...
...making yourself the focus in that room?...

Do you expect 70 virgins as a reward?...


Yes, I would, you're in a room, you're already the focus.
It may take a second to size up the situation...
But
If I had a book, I'd throw it.
If I had a pencil, I'd throw it.
If I had a chair, I'd charge.
If I were already a ghost, I'd poke'm in the eye.
with every last bit of my being.


YEAH MAN! ROCK ON!

Now, if everyone would do that at the same time, we would have no mass murders Wink

The unfortunate truth is that, ironically, no one wants to die. They try to prevent their death by doing everything but fighting like a maniac. Nobody, or to few, are willing to step up to the plate to fight in mortal combat, so everyone dies.

I am guessing that idea must be studied a lot in game theory. Sounds like it would anyway.

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Reply #36 - 12/04/15 at 13:12:50
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 13:05:13:
If I'm ever in that situation,... I want Versy there... Cool...

I know, my dead body will cover a dozen people.
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Reply #37 - 12/04/15 at 13:23:26
 
Being sort of a beekeeper, (I have bees last time I checked), this reminds me of Africanized or otherwise mean bees. While I've never had the opportunity to deal with those killer bees, I can say that the group attack mentality sure works for them Wink

Well... unless the beekeeper's geared up really well... or can run really fast... but that's beside the point! Tongue
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Reply #38 - 12/04/15 at 13:33:06
 
I guess taking away guns is like taking a bee's sting. Then all the mean little boys can beat up the bee hives without any repercussions.
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Reply #39 - 12/04/15 at 14:06:18
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 10:00:35:
I'm not all that worried about falling down into a bucket of arsenic, and suffocating... "


 Bot,
“we have been here, done that’ In many discussions.

Those number are, ONLY, firearms,
(They are,  ’SPUN’, to get someone underwear in a bunch)

It is, Just the SAME, as removing Cars, their will be less CAR accidents !

Compare,   ‘VIOLENCE and Violent Crimes, of all Countries,
And use, ALL, things, BB Bats, Golf Clubs, Screwdrivers, Etc, etc, etc.
The, Homicide /Violent Crime, will NOT go down !
(The,  Criminals, will just use something else)
Only, changing the, ‘Attitude’, can make things change.

Unintentional fall deaths
9.6 per 100,000
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
10.7 per 100,000
Unintentional poisoning deaths
12.3 per 100,000
(and on and on, and on.
ALL, higher numbers than, 'gun')

Guns, 5.2 per 100,000

So with, EXACTLY, the Same Logic,
BANNING,  ALL   Steps/Stairs/Ladders/Scaffolding, will make, ’that’, number go, DOWN!
BANNING, ALL, Motor Vehicles, will make, ‘that’, number go Down !
BANNING,  ‘Drano’  (and like items), will make, ‘that’, number go Down!

It is,  NOT, the, ’thing’. It’s the attitude.

Live in a ’Star-Trek’, Utopia?  Yes, some day.
Not today though.

Want to commit a Crime with a Firearm, just go to a, ‘Gun Free Zone”,
and the, Criminal, is the ONLY person with a gun.
And they KNOW that.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #40 - 12/04/15 at 14:21:20
 
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Serowbot wrote: " ... But some people are just not comfortable with guns... "  


I agree.  But now I ask why?
I believe it is just, lack of, education.  and, ’someone’, else,  FEEDING them, fear !

Here is one case:
One time, two of the students, (in a Class I teach), were from a long way away.
These two Students, were from 2 different families.
(We Always Encourage Parents/Guardians/ etc. to, ’sit in’, on the Class.)
As, the drive was long. (Learned this afterword),
the 4 parents, were going to take turns, driving the Students.
First night, the one Mom was their,  
She had her book, and headphones with her i-pod, and sat in the back.
After a hour, (3 hour class), she took off the headphones, and put down her book.
Second night, Both Moms were their,
The third, (and the rest of the classes), all 4 Parents were their.

When Class was finished, those six people, came up to us.
They all thanked us, Then one Mom said:
“Ya know, this was So Interesting, I didn’t know anything about, ‘guns’,
and I didn’t care to, until, I listened to this Class.
I was afraid of, ‘guns’, and I was afraid, that my Son wanted to bring a  ‘gun’ into the house.
But not now.

(Their children had no desire to hunt, but they wanted to join the, then newly formed, Mn High School Trap League, which is one that requires this Class, to be involved)
Then she also said:
“This Class Should be mandatory in all Schools”

Another event. Was in Ajo AZ.  Borrowed a Jeep, left early in the morning, drove around the dessert. (was first time their). Coming back into town, it was dark, stopped at a gas station.   A Cop, pulled in next to me, and also filled up gas.  We talked for a bit. (He paid at the pump, I went inside). Walked around a bit, got some chips/pop/cigs, and paid for the gas.  Everything was perfectly normal. Not One person even glanced at me sideways.  When I got back into the Jeep, I remembered, I had my loaded Colt 45, strapped in front in my Bandoleer Holster. (Holster that sits in front of your chest). And thought,  Gee,  NOT  ONE person Even Looked at me sideways, Not even a  Cop.   Apparently the people in Ajo, Are, Well Educated, and do NOT, ‘fear’, something they know nothing about.  Or, it could have been,  that had I made a ‘offensive move’, with the firearm.  The Cop, Lady behind the counter, or the one other person in the store, would have done something about it. !

Yea, in a Church meeting, Hospital, School Play, etc. and a bunch of thugs come in shooting.
Self Preservation Will be the first thing.
Then, Offense, against the Criminals.
And one could go on and on, about, “What If’s”.

Point is simply. A Armed Citizen, may not stop a DFI, before the DFI does their, DFI things.
BUT, their will certainly be LESS, people shot by the DFI.
And the Next, DFI, will learn, ‘It’s NOT, ‘like shooting fish in a barrel”.

If NO one Can, stop a DFI, other DFI’s will Learn.
“ Fish in a Barrel ”

So Far, What, have the DFI’s, ‘Learned’, about a, "Gun Free Zone” ?


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Re: Putting guns to work......
Reply #41 - 12/04/15 at 19:21:31
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 11:50:08:
But seriously,... If you had had a pistol in a room filled with 30 innocent people,.. and 2 people came in with ar-15's blazing, wearing full body armor... would you have pulled your weapon?...
...making yourself the focus in that room?...

Do you expect 70 virgins as a reward?...


As soon as I saw it wasn't a hostage taking, robbery, something other than a bloodbath, I'd be doing my best to get a headshot off. An ankle, knee, armor is good, but a hit  slows them, yeah, I'd be trying to hurt them.
And if twenty of those innocents were carrying? Would you wanna have the AR15 and the armor and be facing 21 pistol packing patriots
or what?

Your beloved electeds have armed guards, as do their precious children, and that is as it should be.
It's the upside down thinking that fewer guns equals safety that drives me to pull my hair.
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Reply #42 - 12/05/15 at 03:31:33
 
verslagen1 wrote on 12/04/15 at 12:59:06:
Yes, I would, you're in a room, you're already the focus.
It may take a second to size up the situation...
But
If I had a book, I'd throw it.
If I had a pencil, I'd throw it.
If I had a chair, I'd charge.
If I were already a ghost, I'd poke'm in the eye.
with every last bit of my being.





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Reply #43 - 12/05/15 at 06:57:07
 
Interesting stat I just read...
Countries with high gun ownership, have higher burglary rates...

Huh...
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Reply #44 - 12/05/15 at 10:16:35
 
And?
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