And even that left wing tabloid agrees with me.....

Oh, love the PEW research poll data, yep, the man is so willing to engage a hand to the opposition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/opinion/president-obamas-hypocrisy-on-syria...

Now, you lefties wanna figger out how we keep Trump out of the oval office, since your ideology created him?

Oh, my back yard is full of bikes....and a fridge.

thumperclone wrote on 11/28/15 at 22:12:04:




the author is as right wing as they get (served Ronnie & Bush)
and claims Obama helped Trumps' rise
it's the ultra right who created the donald
its the main stream GOP that needs to and will be his demise
                                                                               


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The guy could be the tooth fairy for all I care, but the facts are what they are.
Obama just got done whining about the right using Paris as a tool, yet he uses within minutes the shooting @ PP with scolding remarks and chastising.....
The guy has done great damage to the democrat party, and Boner & Mitch were afraid to buck him, letting him turn the process into his own political playground.

People of both stripes feel alienated, did you read this?

http://www.people-press.org/2015/11/23/7-views-of-the-political-parties-and-h...

People are frustrated, and yes, that does mean the right leadership too, as they seem befuddled and afraid to lead with their power,
But this is testimony as to how fed up folks are against politicians.

I live/work in the Pudget Sound area of Washington, that is the greater Seattle area, extremely liberal and union, yet, you see more Trump or Bernie bumper stickers than anything else.
Talking to folks its Trump, even those who voted for Obama, twice.

I am afraid if he gets the nomination, the right won't be able to stop him, and Hillary will never break though her negatives to garner enough to win.
You couple those in the democrat party that don't like her, and those who are sick and tired of the party politics, and add those together with the crazy right vote for Trump, and we got a monster as president.

Its crazy, just plain crazy, and yes, he is the net results of all the political process, and that includes the press, and what has become of our system.
It use to be we would try and elect the best person from either party with the hope it would provide the best chance to govern and promote  ONE nation, but that has changed to party affiliation first, leading to exactly what this story talks about.
Yes, it is heavy on Obama, but again, the premise is fact, he has herald this divide, even tho he did not start it, better than those before him, and broke the camels back, so to speak....

If Trump wins, we is in for a world of hurt, and no bumper sticker will solve that one....   

EDIT: Another authors perceptive:

Prepare to Be Blindsided in 2016
Column: The only thing we can predict in politics is that we’ll be surprised

BY: Matthew Continetti
November 27, 2015 4:58 am

Target: Paris. More than 130 die in a terrorist attack on a Friday night in November. No one sees it coming. Global panic ensues.

Suddenly the nation debates the future of the Syrian refugee program. Terrorism jumps to the front of voters’ minds. National security becomes the defining issue of the 2016 election. No one sees that coming, either.

Around two weeks after the Paris attack, Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter over Syria. Vladimir Putin calls it a “stab in the back” and sends more forces to the region. Barack Obama pleads for calm. Trending on Twitter: World War III.

The last month has been an object lesson in the unpredictability of politics. We began November with news of an improving economy, with a rise in President Obama’s approval ratings. We end it with America and the world on high alert, with Obama on defense.

We began November with Democrats confident that demographics and low unemployment guarantee Hillary Clinton’s election. We end it with fears of terrorism and infiltration, with Democrats no longer as sure.

This reversal should give pause to any commentator. If the situation is so fluid now, how can we say with any confidence what things will look like a year on? Elections come into focus late. Why? Because most voters don’t pay attention to politics until the balloting is imminent.

Some examples. George W. Bush led Al Gore for much of 2000. But the race closed in the last week after reports of Bush’s past cocaine use. What looked like a sure Bush victory surprisingly turned into the Florida recount.

When September 2008 began, John McCain was in a close race with Barack Obama. Sarah Palin infused the Republican ticket with youth and populist energy, Russia’s invasion of Georgia had played into McCain’s national security expertise, and high gas prices occasioned calls for “Drill, Baby Drill!” The next month Lehman Brothers collapsed, money market funds plunged into crisis, and the global financial system froze. McCain was doomed.

Jeb Bush entered the Republican primary the presumptive frontrunner. He had money, establishment credentials, a solid record. The aura of inevitability was meant to prevent Marco Rubio from entering the race. Bush’s big challenger, at least in Iowa, was Scott Walker. No one seriously thought Donald Trump would run, and when he did, the assumption was that he would flame out. As I write Trump is leading the polls, Walker has been out of the race for months, and Rubio leads Bush.

It’s not just that our ability to predict the future is extremely limited. It’s that our very idea of the future is biased toward what’s happening now. In 2007, Francis Fukuyama edited a book called Blindside. “Anticipating and dealing with what were thought to have been very low-probability events have clearly become central challenges for policymakers in public and private sectors alike all over the world,” he wrote. Talk about an understatement.

What struck me as I re-read the book this week was how the low-probability events that contributors worried about were all related to what was being discussed in the news at the time: hurricanes, Avian flu, China’s eclipse of America, terrorists obtaining WMD. But there is no index entry for subprime mortgages, no reference to Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, a passing historical reference to Syria. Of course ISIS is absent as well. It hadn’t been invented yet.

In a way, our current predicament is more tumultuous than in the recent past. Since 2011, the Syrian civil war has acted, in General David Petraeus’ phrase, as a “geopolitical Chernobyl.” The zone of contamination has expanded steadily into Iraq, into Lebanon, onto the borders of Jordan, Israel, Turkey, into the airspace above Sinai, the neighborhoods of Beirut, the music halls of Paris. It will continue to expand as long as the Islamic States holds ground and inspires followers, as long as the war remains the epicenter of Sunni-Shia bloodletting.

The radiation has reached Europe. Soon it will cross the Atlantic. What happens when it does is anyone’s guess. “We can predict with certainty that we will be surprised; we can and do anticipate an array of catastrophic events,” wrote Fukuyama. “Unfortunately, the authors of this volume suggest that we can also predict with certainty that when they come, we will be inadequately prepared.”

First the unthinkable becomes conceivable. Then the conceivable becomes plausible. Then the plausible becomes acceptable. And the next thing you know, we’ve got President Trump.

I'm not worried about Trump at all...
...that should worry Rep's...

thumperclone wrote on 11/29/15 at 08:59:05:


I think the Tea Party was the seed to all of this, born of disenfranchisement, as with the Colonies and the Crown, but was quickly consumed by the right trying to capitalize on the moment and movement, which led to minimizing it.
It wasn't a "party" but a reference, and the press and the two party system wanted nothing to do with it, and that was what happened to it.
The emotions are still there, and now Trump has tapped into its energy.
It would be a wonderful thing if a third party or independent candidate  could capture that energy and be a force to reckon with, but however, it is the same factions ( press, repubs, demos ) that mount  opposition and the $$$$$$$ already bet on their respective sluts won't ever let it happen, I am sad to say.  

thumperclone wrote on 11/29/15 at 11:57:01:


Of course its up to all of us to become informed, and to verify the reporting, and to look outside our own beliefs and comfort zone. Easy it is to go to the source that affirms us, and become lazy intellectually.

The press is a business, and they go to the mines that will produces pay dirt.....  
They love the current price of campaigning and the lucrative results the bickering is yielding, that is why I include them.
They are lazy, and lacking, and becoming nothing but use car salesmen.  

The INTERNET will provide the best enlightenment, and shot at the truth, that is, if we can keep these gorillas from claiming rights to its contents.

Nobody wants to yield the power, or very few, that have it.....

I'd say if you are a straight ticket voter, you are part of the problem, plain and simple, your excuses as to why only show how deeply lost and delusional they are.

As to Rush, he was once novel, had a distinct differing view of the status quo media, that could provide stimulation merely for the fact he got folks to challenge the spoon feeding.

As with most people, once the notoriety and money roll in, we find our views and perceptions changing to accommodate that new personality we have become.

It has been many years since I've lent him any serious listening time, just occasionally, very seldom, do I tune him in.....
He is still using a dead script, very predictable, and is nothing more than a dinosaur of what he once offered as entertainment.....    

Good exchange thumper, I've enjoyed it, thanks