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Reply #90 - 11/24/15 at 14:14:16
 
Dave wrote on 11/24/15 at 12:12:25:
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The majority of your quotes are from the Old Testament.  The Old Testament shows the wrath of God against sin; the New Testament shows the grace of God toward sinners.

I never said that Christians are never involved in battles or wars - or that a Christian Country and it leaders and politicians have never gone to war.  The Spanish Inquisition had very little to do with Christianity, and more to do with greed and power of people in high places.

As a Christian, I choose to live in peace....and that is how Jesus taught us to live our lives.  I do everything I can to avoid a fight - but I will also never intend to become a victim.

Ya'll enjoy yourself here......I just don't have the patience it takes to come here and verbally attack each other.

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Dave, you are a wise man to spend his energy where it provides results  Wink
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Reply #91 - 11/24/15 at 17:24:56
 
Their are about 270, basic religions in the world.
Their are several Thousand, variations.

For this discussion, will just use two,
and the, ‘books’, they go by.
The Bible and the Quran.

In Both those books, their are references to, ‘killing’ someone for some reason or another.
In Both those books, their are MANY, contradicting  statements.

YET,  How, many of those, ‘Religions’, are,
 STILL, Killing people, because they do NOT,
convert to, ’their’ Religion ?


I can Only think of, ONE !

Let’s see, if a ‘Fringe’ group, called themselves,  ‘Knights Templars’, or ‘Crusaders’.
(Which both went out late 1200’s or early 1300’s.)  700 YEARS  ago !
And, (today),  BEHEADED, people, in the name of that religion.
Do you think the, ‘Christens’, (that, ‘Fringe’ group associated with),
would, DO, something about them. ?????
(Not just give,  ‘LIP’ Service, but, DO, Something!)

Do you think if a, ‘fringe’, group, calling themselves the, "Avenging Angles”,
Cut OFF Peoples Heads,
The, Mormons, would,  DO, something about them ?
(Of course, the, ‘oral traditions’, of the Mormon, ‘Avenging Angles’,
was that they did NOT,  ‘CUT OFF HEADS’, of people that did not believe,
they only, ’Avenged’, wrong doing, among the people, who did, believe in that Religion.)

Gee, perhaps the, Muslims, who believe in Islam, need some, “Avenging Angles”.    LOLOL

Some, ‘religions’, Centuries ago, did Live Human sacrifices.
They continue this practice today, BUT TODAY USE, Efficacy’s, of the human/animal/etc.

But which,  ONE,  is  STILL,   ‘Cutting Off Heads’. ?

And, (outside of, ‘LIP’, service), are ’They’,  (the believers in that Religion),  doing Anything ??????
Do not see, ANY, evidence of it.

So, conclusions.
1.  The, Muslims, who follow the, Quran, are to terrified, of their OWN, kind, to do anything about it.
or
2. You never know, ‘when', a Rattlesnake will bite.
You only know, it, ‘ WILL'.
or
3.  Islam, is  NOT, a, ‘Religion’.
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Reply #92 - 11/24/15 at 19:06:19
 
MnS:
"So, conclusions.
1.  The, Muslims, who follow the, Quran, are to terrified, of their OWN, kind, to do anything about it.
or
2. You never know, ‘when', a Rattlesnake will bite.
You only know, it, ‘ WILL'.
or
3.  Islam, is  NOT, a, ‘Religion’.
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2. Maybe the rattlesnake feels it was bitten first, by a bigger rattlesnake.

3. You really can't accept the idea that normal Muslims and extreme fundamentalist jihadis are two different things.
Do Muslims think that the Pope, David Koresh and Billy Graham all believe the same thing?

Only by knowing the practice of the other 269 religions can enable you to make a comparison.....

Shall I quote the Koran where it says that you shouldn't force religion on others?

The ‘Avenging Angles’ are right.......
.......if they are at 90 degrees.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #93 - 11/24/15 at 19:20:17
 
" ... Shall I quote the Koran where it says that you shouldn't force religion on others? ..."

Yep,  nonsense, quotes, by a  PROGRESSIVE.

Yea, I Know,  I Know, “Don’t Feed  the Troll”. [/quote]
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Reply #94 - 11/24/15 at 19:38:17
 
"There shall be no compulsion in religion" 2:256

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Reply #95 - 11/25/15 at 03:50:50
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/24/15 at 19:38:17:
"There shall be no compulsion in religion" 2:256

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No doubt, most of the believers are not terrorist, even if they do want/try to convert others in order to share their faith. I do with mine, even tho Bot is a lost cause  Kiss

But, as in my faith, some have no qualm about killing an abortion doctor or cheering if one meets his own abortion fate, however, most don't.....

And I lump both groups of faith zealots as terrorist, and IDIOTS too!
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Reply #96 - 11/25/15 at 06:10:17
 
Dave wrote on 11/24/15 at 12:12:25:
The majority of our quotes are from the Old Testament.  The Old Testament shows the wrath of God against sin; the New Testament shows the grace of God toward sinners.
 


That's my favorite part of Christianity: how you can cherry pick what you want or don't want.


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Reply #97 - 11/25/15 at 10:38:50
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/24/15 at 19:38:17:
"There shall be no compulsion in religion" 2:256

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It's in the definition of "innocent" that's the rub.
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Reply #98 - 11/25/15 at 16:59:00
 
Let’s see if I got this right.

A,  ‘Facebook’  poster, complains that he cannot get a date.
And he is a,  ‘Muslim’,   ’Refugee’.
So I am to extend  EVERY,  Courtesy to him. ?

Gee, I,  don’t know who he is.
YOU, don’t know who he is.
Ya Think, Perhaps,  (MUSLEM or NOT)
He, is just  a  A.H.   ???????

(Gee, how much, ’sympathy’, would I get,
If I announced to the world, I, ‘could not get a Date’)

Yet,   YET !
When a, TERRORIST (Claiming he/she, is a  Muslim)
Commits a,  COWARDLY Terrorist, act.
I, ( am not permitted buy the, ‘progressives’),  to, wonder WHY,  ?
the, ‘peaceful’, Muslims, do  NOT,  stand up and,   DO    Something ?

But, someone, who,  IS a,  ‘Refugee’ or’ Immigrant’.
And has ‘become’ a worthwhile, Citizen/Subject, of a Country.

What ever their, ‘views/statements’, are on any subject, are, WORTHLESS,
BECAUSE, they,   Were, a, ‘Refugee’ or’ Immigrant’.

Exactly, how does that work ?
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Reply #99 - 11/25/15 at 17:00:11
 
Versy, I'd imagine 'innocent' as being what it says here, as there are many other quotes in the Koran that'd support it.
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Reply #100 - 11/25/15 at 17:28:55
 
 “ … are many other quotes in the Koran that’d support it. …”

As  many  ‘quotes’  in  the,   “Bible, and Quran’,  
Both for,   ‘Peace”,  and,   ‘Retribution’.

My Question,  which is STILL,  not answered,  by a,  ‘Progressive Believer”,
Is:
  WHICH, “Fringe”, of a,  ‘religion’,  is  STILL,   ‘CUTTING OFF HEADS’
of,   ’Non Believers?
, in the name of a, 'Religion'.

And the, 'Peaceful People', of that, 'religion',  ARE  Doing  NOTHING About It  ????????


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Reply #101 - 11/25/15 at 17:36:14
 
Gosh,  ‘WE’,  have been told,
Over and Over and Over again.

How, the, ‘Peaceful’,  Muslims, are  the VAST   Majority.

So WHY,  do they,  ‘ALLOW”,  a,  Tiney Tiney,  ‘Fringe’,  group,
to Overwhelm them, and,   Speak,  for them ???????????
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Reply #102 - 11/25/15 at 17:38:34
 
I'll bite Spring..... Islam.

Now will you answer my question?

Should I be judged by the deeds of others because they say Jesus, or God, told them to do something?

I am not trying to be vague, just want to understand the foundation of how we assign responsibility.

BTW, I know many of the Muslim faith who are dead set against ISIS, believing its a total miss-characterization of their faith.

Can you elaborate on what it is your are trying to establish Spring?

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Reply #103 - 11/25/15 at 17:47:05
 
They don't 'allow' a fringe group to speak for them.
They can't exactly reason with ISIS......
The media is what determines what we might hear, and what we can't.


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Reply #104 - 11/25/15 at 17:50:57
 
raydawg wrote on 11/25/15 at 17:38:34:
Can you elaborate on what it is your are trying to establish Spring?

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