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11/16/15 at 13:03:24
 
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

Refuges.
Are many of them, ‘legitimate’, and truly want a better life?
   SURE.

Are their many, ‘Terrorists’, riding the back of, ‘legitimate’ refuges.
  ABSOLUTELY !

So, their is the problem.
One group says, all refuges are good, another group says all are bad.
In history, it has been proven, in several cases, BOTH Ways !
(Which had depended upon, where they came from, and why.)
So, what is learned from past, experience?  
What do we do today?

It it, spread the Fairy Dust and sing, and let everyone in ?
(One day you are eating Rocks & Twigs, 24 hours later,
you are watching Cable T/V, eating your fill of Pizza, and drinking Sugar Pop.)

Is it, rigorously, ’vet’, them ?
(Segregate, make sure they go though the demanding process, of becoming a Citizen)

Or, is it somewhere in-between ?

Does it make a difference if they are coming from a Country/Place, that had NO history of ANTAGONISM, to anybody. That was ravished by flood/fire/etc. That were disheveled in appearance, down trodden, dirty, and had only the tattered cloths on their backs. And were very happy for a piece of stale bread soaked in water.

Or, if they were  coming from a place that had a long history, of Terrorism, and were dressed in good cloths, caring knapsacks, wearing ear/finger rings, laughing smiling, and Demanding, their food, be a certain thing and prepared a certain way.

Would you treat, both groups the same way ?

So What do you think, is the Solution?

NOTE: This is a Opinion, not a, ‘my way or the hy-way’.
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Reply #1 - 11/16/15 at 15:12:19
 
When you win all the money in a poker game, you never, ever, loan those who you just beat, money to keep playing against you.....
You either understand this or you're a dummy!
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Reply #2 - 11/16/15 at 15:56:19
 
raydawg wrote on 11/16/15 at 15:12:19:
When you win all the money in a poker game, you never, ever, loan those who you just beat, money to keep playing against you.....
You either understand this or you're a dummy!

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But at the same time, the US is the biggest arms exporter (by far).... so the 'opposition' always has access to these 'poker chips'....and the cycle continues.
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Reply #3 - 11/16/15 at 17:53:48
 
we finance both sides


Copy and search.
No, it doesn't make sense, but it makes Cents.
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Reply #4 - 11/16/15 at 19:27:48
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/16/15 at 15:56:19:
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But at the same time, the US is the biggest arms [i]exporter (by far).... so the 'opposition' always has access to these 'poker chips'....and the cycle continues. [/i]




NOPE, the BRITS are, the USA by proxy through BAE, money funneled back to the crown
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Reply #5 - 11/16/15 at 19:59:24
 
Lockheed Martin followed by Boeing are the biggest, apparently.

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Reply #6 - 11/17/15 at 15:25:18
 
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Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh...
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Reply #7 - 11/17/15 at 15:32:34
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:59:24:
Lockheed Martin followed by Boeing are the biggest, apparently.

http://i67.tinypic.com/10zv5s9.jpg



NOPE, not even close to the largest. BAE is the planets largest arms manufacturer.

LM and Boeing manufacture FOR BAE Sys.

the USA acts as proxy for the UK
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Reply #8 - 11/17/15 at 16:20:06
 
The Stockholm International Peace Institute is where I got my data. They seem to consider the US as the biggest arms exporter.
Wiki also, on various pages.

"The United States remains the leading arms exporter increasing sales by 23 percent, with the country’s share of the global arms trade at 31 percent. Ninety-four countries imported US made weaponry, with the Middle East accounting for 32 percent of the purchases."

"India, Saudi Arabia, China, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan have become the largest importers of weapons in 2010-2014, according to SIPRI."
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Reply #9 - 11/17/15 at 16:30:08
 
Hovis, I was addressing the fact that the USA is in fact a PROXY for the Brits. Hiding the sins of the UK, with plausible deniability. The money is still funneled BACK to the crown.

The arms have to get outta the country somehow, right?

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Reply #10 - 11/17/15 at 16:42:41
 
Have you got a link for that info?

(Regardless of the country of origin, the poker-game analogy still works!)
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Reply #11 - 11/17/15 at 16:53:46
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/17/15 at 16:20:06:
"India, Saudi Arabia, China, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan have become the largest importers of weapons in 2010-2014, according to SIPRI."


I didn't think we exported anything whatsoever to China... Undecided

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Reply #12 - 11/17/15 at 16:58:08
 
Well let’s see.

 Colt, Remington, Winchester.
The Leading Firearms Manufactures in the US in the early 1800’s
(and others not so well known)
ONLY, sold their firearms to ‘One’ side,
in the US, ‘War Between the States”. ?

Oh, and the UK,   ONLY,  sold,  ‘Endfields’,
    (A, type/brand, of firearm)
to, ONLY,  one side?

Perhaps it time to get back to the topic:
Are their many, ‘Terrorists’, riding the back of, ‘legitimate’ refuges.

??????


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Reply #13 - 11/17/15 at 17:06:25
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/17/15 at 16:58:08:
Perhaps it time to get back to the topic:

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I haven't got a refuge, and I've never heard of 'Endfield'  Grin
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Reply #14 - 11/17/15 at 17:22:42
 
this should get you started:

https://corporatewatch.org/company-profiles/bae-systems


p.s.

I have had prior employment with them, having intimate knowledge of policies and procedures as well as the "politics".  Wink
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