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Reply #30 - 11/02/15 at 11:35:12
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/02/15 at 07:22:59:
Agnostic, is just a wishywashy way to say atheist...
Since atheism requires no faith,......


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Atheism is most definitely a faith, the faith that 2,000+ years of history (Christian, that is, more or less for others) doesn't exist. The Atheist goes beyond the Agnostic "there is no way of knowing either way" to full on "there is not currently nor never was any divine being". That takes an immense amount of faith.
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Reply #31 - 11/02/15 at 11:43:16
 
Quote Dane;
"Atheism is most definitely a faith, the faith that 2,000+ years of history (Christian, that is, more or less for others) doesn't exist."
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Huh

I think you are mistaken.
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Reply #32 - 11/02/15 at 12:23:31
 
Human evolution...
With self-awareness, comes the realization of mortality...
We fear death, yet we know it is inevitable... so we create an afterlife...
We create God because somebody had to make the afterlife...

We also create some way to get high... Huh...

So far,... it seems virtually universal amongst us humans...

We create our gods, they don't create us...
Religion,.. is the organization of beliefs as a method of manipulation, by the powers that be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYJv1IPuFI


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Reply #33 - 11/02/15 at 12:33:00
 
We all ride bikes here (I presume).
Some of us are in clubs, whether patch wearers or local Owner's Clubs.
Some of us aren't in clubs (myself included) at all.

But we can all ride, we don't need to be in a club to actually ride.

Same with 'living with faith' or living without it.

We don't need to have a faith to live our lives, but some chose to, for many different reasons.

So why does a 'believer' insist that atheists exhibit faith when they base their life on all but faith, preferring science, logic, empiricism?

If a biker isn't in a club, it doesn't therefore mean he is actually in the "un-club" or the "non-club".
He simply is not in a club.

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Reply #34 - 11/02/15 at 13:00:53
 
Absence of light is darkness.....
That is an undeniable fact.
We could then say light is white, and darkness, black.
We could then offer shades, and that might bring the difference closer to the same, however, that does not change the original declaration.

As evidenced here, minds are made upon what one believes, and I doubt anybody will change, nor will you remove a believers right to participate and promote those matters they believe will lead to a better life for all mankind.
You deny that, you deny yourself, as peace will never be sustained in such an environment....
We have seen the results of theocracies, we have seen the results of dictatorship, and everything between, none have withstood.
Riddle that, and you might find the truth....

You all have fun now  Grin
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Reply #35 - 11/02/15 at 17:10:42
 
Just, depends on what you see.
Humans, cannot, ’see’, radio waves.

If they could, 200 years ago, they would be able to, ’see’, the same things, we all see now.
But today, if we, could, see, Radio Waves, all of us, (especially in a City),
would, Only, ’see’, the radio waves.

So if one, believes, radio waves, do not exist,  just because they cannot be, seen.
Well it is just what they Believe.
(You do know, their ARE people that Still, believe, the Earth is Flat !)

100’s + of, different religions.
and they all have no problem, with each other,
(Well, except ONE, which says they will take your Head off, if you do not believe like them)

Sure, they all, ’sell’, their brand.
But NONE, ’Shove It Down Your Throat’.
(Well, ‘again’, except one)

So if a person has a faith/believe, it is theirs.
And if mine is different, Not a problem.

Just like, I like, Females !
If a person is a male, and, ‘likes’, other males.
That is what, THEY, have chosen.
And the, Smart, ones, do not ‘demand’, the others,
(Who like Females), like, the same thing they like.

Personally, I believe, ‘Atheism’, is a religion,
of Not, believing in other religions.
(Or a Deity of any sort)
Where, ‘Agnostic’, is just not believing in anything.

Is this the time for the, ‘Rodney King’ quote ?  Grin
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Reply #36 - 11/03/15 at 09:54:18
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/02/15 at 11:43:16:
Quote Dane;
"Atheism is most definitely a faith, the faith that 2,000+ years of history (Christian, that is, more or less for others) doesn't exist."
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Huh

I think you are mistaken.


Well, apparently not, from Dictionary.com:

noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.

7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.

8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
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Reply #37 - 11/03/15 at 10:04:00
 
Where, in that 1-8, does it refer to 'atheism' meaning 'to forget history' or suchlike?
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Reply #38 - 11/03/15 at 11:05:03
 
I had copied and pasted the Merriam Webster definition but deleted the post before submission.

Are you a politician? You're arguing semantics. Dane (and correct me if I'm wrong, Dane) isn't saying it doesn't exist but that it didn't really happen - as in, Christianity is bullshit, along with the other numerous religions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sacn_bCj8tQ


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Reply #39 - 11/03/15 at 17:14:48
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/03/15 at 10:04:00:
Where, in that 1-8, does it refer to 'atheism' meaning 'to forget history' or suchlike?

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Seemed a straight forward question to me.

I think Dane answered a question about what he believes 'faith' to be, whilst missing the question about atheism being most definitely a faith.

The idea of atheists saying 'religion is BS' is a different matter
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Reply #40 - 11/06/15 at 10:31:19
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/03/15 at 17:14:48:
HovisPresley wrote on 11/03/15 at 10:04:00:
Where, in that 1-8, does it refer to 'atheism' meaning 'to forget history' or suchlike?

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Seemed a straight forward question to me.

I think Dane answered a question about what he believes 'faith' to be, whilst missing the question about atheism being most definitely a faith.

The idea of atheists saying 'religion is BS' is a different matter


Numbers 2, 4 and 6 from the definition above.
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Reply #41 - 11/06/15 at 13:01:17
 
Faith in the context of religion, has more specific definition...



PS... guess what word has the most definitions in the English language?...
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Roll Eyes
Roll Eyes
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Reply #42 - 11/06/15 at 13:01:33
 
Time's up...

It's "run"...
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Reply #43 - 11/06/15 at 17:36:18
 
Numbers 2, 4 and 6 don't explain much about history...
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