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What is faith.....??
10/31/15 at 09:26:19
 
We all have faith, if not, you would not be able to rise in the morning from slumber.
You awaken because you have faith that in living you will fulfill your need of that day.
We exhibit faith when we believe a certain candidate or party will provide the best possible solutions to our concerns.
We exhibit faith at the beginning of a new sporting season that our team will be the victor.
We exhibit faith when we turn the key on our savage and hit the start button  Grin

Why do we need faith?

None of us can know all, just not possible.
We have to have a reason to do things that we can't justify with hands on results.
Results are often the end result of faith, but that takes a belief first, before results can be verified.

Here is my faith based on my action of walking with God....

To walk with God is an incomparable privilege. I believe it is man's highest ambition. A life wholly dominated by the will of God should become my supreme quest.
There is nothing above or beyond this....
It opens the way to the best there is at the end of the journey, and all along the way the spiritual treasures are protected, safeguarded, and increased.
Victory over temptation is certain.
The meaning of life made clear.
My human relationships are sanctified, the commonplace is glorified, the future felicity is assured.
It does involve giving up some of the things I cherish earthly possession-wise.
It does mean I might be sent to the school of suffering and sacrifice. It does call me to unconditional acceptance of the divine program.
But, this is not too high a price to pay for the privilege of walking with God.

I have not always done this.
I have fought for right of mine in the courts of earthly justice.
I have had the most touted court in the world take millions of my wealth away based on changing truths (lies) by them who preach and swear to tell the truth.
I was right.
They were wrong.
It made no difference.
The end result were the same.

I see the folly of my way, and I understand how I got there....
It is as simple as, fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

No one escape the exit of this fleshy life, no one.
How you want to exit is still in play, that is, if you are reading this text.

The question then is, "how do you want to exit?"
Are you going to fight against something you don't believe in......
To what, justify a belief, in denying others the right to believe, and act, in a way they want to?
Tell me, is your belief self reliant then, or predicated on the actions of others in the flesh?
Is your faith vested in if those who believe in a God, all succumb, to the power you want exhibited upon them, that it will give you peace, and serenity..... that is your desire and goal?
Is this the same as ISIS or Nazi's or?
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Reply #1 - 10/31/15 at 10:45:17
 
Drivel...

Is violent, religious, fanaticism, equatable to not believing?...
Hardly...
I have no faith,... therefore, I am not driven or manipulated by it...
My thoughts, drives, and actions are my own...

raydawg wrote on 10/26/15 at 18:46:41:
To try and understand the Bible without the benefit of the Holy Spirit, well, you never will will, its that simple.

Why so spiteful against those you say cannot possibly believe as you do?...

I don't begrudge anyone their faith,... I just don't want my life dictated by it...
When Christians stop trying to influence politics,... I'll leave them to their delusions...
I don't share that faith,.. I needn't be forced to follow it's dictates.


I do not have "faith" that my bike will start...
I have confidence...
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Reply #2 - 10/31/15 at 16:08:00
 
You judge all of faith according to the behavior of some?
I have stated before I don't need my money or pledge to reference my god, nor am I threatened by those who want to drive any open and free expression of it.

Oh, and I am confidant too that my faith will provide for me upon my death of this body. I am confidant my eternal life if no sorrow or tear awaits me.
I am confidant that those will become aware of their mistaking too.
But then it will be too late.
But if your confidant of your belief, what I say should be of no concern to you, or any other, can't understand why they worry so much over nothing then  Huh
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Reply #3 - 10/31/15 at 16:42:03
 
You started this thread.
This ain't a personal diary,.. it's a forum.  Comments are expected.
What need then drives you post it?...

Is the purpose to proselytize, or to invite discussion?...
Either way,... it cannot be said that opposing comment is attack.
Not when it is so invited....

Peace,... comes from within...
I'm at peace with my mortality... any surprise I get will be a welcome one.
One that expects more, can only be surprised by less...
...'cept death will not reveal it.
So,... we're even... Grin...

Peace,
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Reply #4 - 10/31/15 at 17:09:02
 
Yes, in a way, odd as it may seem, but I am using the social media to dialogue.
Believe me Bot, and I am as sincere as I can being using this format, I take ,nor intend, offense to you, or anyone else....

If I can not extend ( in my heart and mind )  the same desires I want extended to me, then I am the conflict in my own life, not what others say or do.

Admittedly, it is harder to do, than say, but nevertheless......   Tongue

Oh, and one other admission, I agree ( you did say this, yes? Grin )  

Christians are doing a terrible job of witnessing about their faith....
I would offer evidence that if we were living according to scripture, and benefiting as such, the church would be over-flowing with folks wanting to find out what makes us so happy and content....
But, that is not the case, we would rather argue over someones sex life  and cake baking  Sad
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Reply #5 - 11/01/15 at 06:39:06
 

Why so spiteful against those you say cannot possibly believe as you do?...

I don't begrudge anyone their faith,... I just don't want my life dictated by it...
When Christians stop trying to influence politics,... I'll leave them to their delusions...
I don't share that faith,.. I needn't be forced to follow it's dictates.


I don't share your faith either, atheism. Will you and your fellow congregation of secular humanist stop trying to influence politics ?.......

why do I have to accept babies being killed inthe womb, a football coach who gets fired for kneeling at the 50 yard line, religious institutions being forced to pay for abortions, a baker bankrupted for not baking a cake for lesbian fanatics, all historical artifacts removed so as not to "offend".....

Like I said before, this is your world now. You've won, the tide has turned and historical Christian ideals are slowly being overrun.

Own the results.
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Reply #6 - 11/01/15 at 06:46:13
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/01/15 at 06:39:06:
Own the results.

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Like science, for instance?
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Reply #7 - 11/01/15 at 07:10:22
 
yea, like science. real science, not your political science. you think the right is scientifically challenged, but its always the left who uses pressure to coerce outcomes.
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Reply #8 - 11/01/15 at 07:50:45
 
Racial, sexual, and ethnic prejudice, are nor rights... not in America.
Denial of facts, actually is a right... but, it ain't that smart... Huh...
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Reply #9 - 11/01/15 at 08:05:52
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/01/15 at 07:10:22:
yea, like science. real science, not your political science. you think the right is scientifically challenged, but its always the left who uses pressure to coerce outcomes.

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Who brought politics into the equation?  Huh

PS. I don't think the 'right' is scientifically challenged.
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Reply #10 - 11/01/15 at 08:37:18
 
Half a century ago,... a baker might refuse a black man and a white woman their wedding cake.  Colored drank from separate drinking fountains, and weren't allowed in many restaurants.

Liberals learned a lesson about prejudice...
Conservatives just learned a lesson about black people...
That was the wrong lesson...Undecided...
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Reply #11 - 11/01/15 at 15:33:22
 
“ … Half a century ago,… a baker might refuse a black man and a white woman their wedding cake. …”

Yep, that most probably happened.
And if the B/W couple, ’sued’,  the baker,  they would be laughed out of court, provided they even got  that far.

So, what would happen, if I, went into a, store/restaurant,
and they did not, serve/sell,  Bacon.
Then I, ’sued’,  I think I would be laughed out of Court!
( If I even got that far)

So then, WHY, does someone today, get, Sued’, and Loose. ?
(FOR NOT BAKING A CAKE)

Is it not, the SAME THING ?
Could it be, going,  OVERBOARD ?  WAY  to the ‘Other’ side ?

“ …  Colored drank from separate drinking fountains, and weren’t allowed in many restaurants. …”


In some places, that sill has not changed.
About 15, years ago, I was in a State, and a, ‘Committee’, took me and another person, to dinner before the, ‘event’. We met at the assigned, restaurant,  and waited for the rest of the, ‘group’ to arrive.
The restaurant had a main entrance, and a coat/gun check at the door.
Their was two, ‘doors’, left and right’, from this main entrance.
As I stood their, waiting for the restaurant to, put together tables to seat about 15 people., and Waiting for the others to arrive. I noticed, one side, Had, a Big Long empty table.   I told the rest of the group: “Hey their is a big table over here’.
Just then, the, ‘Chair’ of the Committee,  walked in, and GRABBED me, and said:   "We, DON’T Go TO that Side,  That is the ‘ N xxxxc’, Side”.

 Do  NOT, agree with that , Mentally.
( But when In Rome, ….)

“ … Liberals learned a lesson about prejudice…”

I do not believe so.   I believe all they did, was to go,  ‘OVERBOARD’,  and  apply their P.C.  ‘correct’,  (*What they thought was), to a situation/attitude, which needed change.

“ … Conservatives just learned a lesson about black people… “


Again, I believe the, ‘right’, just stopped the, ‘Pendulum’,
from swinging ALL the way.
to the Left.
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Reply #12 - 11/01/15 at 20:02:40
 
Row said
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When Christians stop trying to influence politics,... I'll leave them to their delusions...

Are you aware of who wrote the founding documents? The prayer that opens each session, how our laws and three segments of government are related to the bible? The further God is driven out, the BETTER our society gets,, right? Government isn't supposed to be hostile to religion. The government isn't supposed to Create or demand participation in a religion, THAT is the wall of separation. Not driving any religious observance away from all public buildings. Hurrah for your side, once again choosing to read what isn't as if it is. Read the constitution,
Don't think I'm a republican, but, credit to the left for the twisted mess in the schools, confused kids, going in whichever restrooms they
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As, today. A world where a kid needs a permission slip for a field trip, but abortion, on demand. Point a finger, say bang, go to jail.
Yeah, we've progressed.
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Reply #13 - 11/02/15 at 04:46:29
 
It was a rather telling admission by bot, that his goal is to drive believers out of the political process.
Not to get along and except the outcome of a democracy, no, his mission is to deny the pursuit of happiness for those in opposition.
The sad thing is he doesn't even see the insanity of such beliefs and actions.
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Reply #14 - 11/02/15 at 05:22:15
 
raydawg wrote on 11/02/15 at 04:46:29:
It was a rather telling admission by bot, that his goal is to drive believers out of the political process.
Not to get along and except the outcome of a democracy, no, his mission is to deny the pursuit of happiness for those in opposition.
The sad thing is he doesn't even see the insanity of such beliefs and actions.

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I think that is a very twisted interpretation of what Bot what saying.

Keeping Christianity separate to politics, rather than keeping Christians out of politics, was his suggestion.
I think you know that.

Please explain the "insanity" you describe when politics and religion are separate, and the sadness you describe.
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