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OK so the thread on oil is locked . . .
10/20/15 at 19:16:25

I don't claim too know a whole lot about what is in oil that makes it slippery. I do know that in the circles I run in Kendall oil has been a mainstay with big twins of the air cooled variety for many years. It puzzled me that it wasn't on the list. I thought maybe it just didn't have that particular acronym of stuff in it so I think that I'd check. . . low and behold it does. Maybe it is not of the sufficient amount.

Has it been considered? Just curious how it stacks up.

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Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . .
Reply #1 - 10/20/15 at 19:24:14

Gus wrote on 10/20/15 at 19:16:25:

I don't claim too know a whole lot about what is in oil that makes it slippery. I do know that in the circles I run in Kendall oil has been a mainstay with big twins of the air cooled variety for many years. It puzzled me that it wasn't on the list. I thought maybe it just didn't have that particular acronym of stuff in it so I think that I'd check. . . low and behold it does. Maybe it is not of the sufficient amount.

Has it been considered? Just curious how it stacks up.

Gus

post your info and if it's worthy we'll add it.

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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #2 - 10/20/15 at 19:28:20 Is it an "Energy Conserving" oil? You don't want that.
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Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . .
Reply #3 - 10/20/15 at 20:44:32

You can spend more and feel like that expresses the love we all have for our bikes, but it's like putting premium fuel in a low compression engine
Because my baby deserves the best.
The stuff that keeps big rigs running is Rotella T 15-40. I've been on four wheeler forums and this one. We have guys with over 100,000 miles. Not saying that no oil is better, but what's the point? A $13.00 gallon goes a long way. For the truly determined, there's always a dash of ZDDP. The valve train is a seriously harsh design and the Rotella has shown that it has the guts to keep the cam and rockers from eating each other.
New engine designs are not so brutal inside. This engine is noisy, because of necessary clearances in the valve train.
I didn't know the oil thread was locked. I guess the general idea was, we've kicked it around quite a bit.

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Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . .
Reply #4 - 10/21/15 at 02:58:19

Most (if not all) Big Twins have roller bearings on the cams, rollers on the lifters or rockers - they can get away with a lot less ZDDP in the oil than the Savage can. Also since the new bikes are Fuel Injected it is likely that any oil recommended for them will be rated JASO MA-2....which will have the ZDDP lever lowered below what is recommended for the Savage engine.

If you can provide the ZDDP content of the oil and it is affordable, and can be found and purchased easily.....then it will likely be posted in the oil thread.

I can get Brad Penn High Performance oil at a local engine machine shop (takes an hour round trip). It is good oil, has plenty of ZDDP, and is not priced overly expensive - but it is not readily available at stores so it is not included in the Oil Thread as a recommended oil. (Only their High Performance oil line has the high ZDDP level, and the ZDDP level in their 10W-40 oil for motorcycles has been reduced).

The criteria for an oil recommended in that thread is that most folks can go to a local store and buy it. There isn't much reason to recommend an oil that folks can't buy easily.

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Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . .
Reply #5 - 10/21/15 at 04:54:20

Im not sure of the level of ZDDP in Kendall oil but I will do the research. I guess I should have clarified the circles I run in a little clearer. The big twins I was talking about were designed as long ago as 1948. Old Pans and Shovelhead Harleys. The oils that were mainstays for them were Kendall & AeroShell.
I know that, with time, all things change; oils, metals, designs down to the roads we ride on.
There's also the philosophy of an old neighbor I had as a kid. He had many and varied vintages of vehicles of all kinds; some he made himself. One day I was helping him get one ready for the road and
I was standing at the lube bench looking at the many cans and bottles of oil trying to decide which one he wanted. When I asked hesaid" Just bring me the slippery stuff boy. If it doesn't have enough slippery stuff in it, it will burn up."
Good advise for a dumb kid!

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Gus Senior Member Offline Thumpers Rock! Posts: 491 Minnesota Gender:	official ZDDP content of Kendall GT-1 Reply #6 - 10/21/15 at 06:01:58 Kendall GT-1 20W-50W has a ZDDP content of .119% by weight. I can buy it at the farm store here in rural South Dakota for 4.89 per quart. Gus
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #7 - 10/21/15 at 07:40:17 Not sure what .12% by wt is but $5 per qt for synthetic ain't bad.
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Gus Senior Member Offline Thumpers Rock! Posts: 491 Minnesota Gender:	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #8 - 10/21/15 at 08:46:18 Kendall GT-1 20-50W is Dino oil; not synthetic. You can correct me if I'm wrong. In any event; it is the only weight meeting the criteria for ZDDP from what I read in the technical section. Gus
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Ultimafuego Junior Member Offline Just window shoping with a brick. Posts: 51 Rome, GA	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #9 - 10/21/15 at 09:13:31 I have a question in regards to this. And I don't really need a crazy argument about it. What is the preferred weight of oil for the s40? I realize a lot of guys are using 15w-40 rotella, but does anyone prefer 10w-40 or 20w-50? Again, just a quick simple question, hopefully getting a simple answer.
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Art Webb Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3007 columbus, Texas Gender:	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #10 - 10/21/15 at 09:24:02 Manual says 10w40 I do believe, but in hotter climates some folks prefer 20w50 in the summer
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Gus Senior Member Offline Thumpers Rock! Posts: 491 Minnesota Gender:	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #11 - 10/21/15 at 09:29:10 I think Art is right. Gus
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Ultimafuego Junior Member Offline Just window shoping with a brick. Posts: 51 Rome, GA	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #12 - 10/21/15 at 10:35:23 I figured. I was pretty sure I read the same thing. Just wanted to see what the consensus was.
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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . . Reply #13 - 10/21/15 at 11:27:03 Since it's an air cooled engine, thicker might be better. It depends on how hot the oil gets. Stop and go traffic is murder on the oil.
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Re: OK so the thread on oil is locked . . .
Reply #14 - 10/21/15 at 12:42:46

verslagen1 wrote on 10/21/15 at 07:40:17:

Not sure what .12% by wt is but $5 per qt for synthetic ain't bad.

0.12% is equal to 0.0012 x 1,000,000 = 1,200 ppm

Anybody know what the "Liquid Titanium" that is supposed to protect against wear is?.....and if this oil is safe for wet clutches? I didn't read anywhere that it was listed for use in motorcycles.

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