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Reply #15 - 10/13/15 at 05:52:43

DesertRat wrote on 10/12/15 at 19:00:32:

Mark, that line reminds me of how it's been for eons with the ruling class. Trading bibles for resources. Convert or DIE.

If that were ever true in the manner commonly believed is up to serious debate. However, those days are long gone and aren't coming back.

Islam gets all the free passes now. They invade our country, but they don't kill our leaders. Why would they? Predident Hopey-change has been a pretty good friend to Islam in America.

Next door to me in Illinois, Sen. thingy Durbin is demanding we bring in 100,000 Syrians. Screw him. He won't ever live next to one, will never interact with one, it won't effect him at all. He won't be watching the Chicago marathon 5 years from now when one of them detonates a pipe bomb.

Islam is incompatible with peaceful existence in the world community. As the % of a nation's Islamic population rises, so does their violence towards others. Our friend Mpesc is pointing out a group that kills 10 is worst than a group who kills 8. Big whoopty f'ing deal. Islamic fascists, regardless of what alphebety letters we identify them with, are the Nazis of our day.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9375 Minn Gender:	Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I Reply #16 - 10/13/15 at 10:00:12 It is said, about 5% of Germans, were, Nazi's. So that leaves 95%, that did NOTHING ! Can we, 'learn' from History ?
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Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I
Reply #17 - 10/13/15 at 11:22:14

mpescatori wrote on 10/11/15 at 10:13:07:

I know it's a long read, and I don't expect to "convert" anybody to moderate views,; this is simply to inform you that Muslims here in Europe (and in canada, where the below blog originates) are extremely alarmed by ISIS and are concerned that Egypt and saudi Arabia are doing/saying nothing about the whole matter...

There were many Germans who were extremely alarmed at the rise of the Nazis, there were many Italians who were extremely alarmed at the rise of Mussolini, there were any Japanese who were extremely alarmed at the rise of Imperial Japan, there were many Russians who were extremely alarmed at the rise of socialism, and the list goes on and on.

I am not sure what benefits "converting" to a "moderate" view is supposed to provide but judging from human history there does not appear to be much benefit at all. Why don't all these "moderates" start to get radical on the peace and prosperity side of life and take care of their own house and stop hurting the rest of us?

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I Reply #18 - 10/13/15 at 14:06:07 How come women & children are never included in the pics of the refuges? They look like they are men from about their late teens to early 40s. Something isn't just right..... Best regards,
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28691 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I Reply #19 - 10/13/15 at 14:20:22 What the heck is your news source?????... ... https://www.google.com/search?q=syrian+refugees&biw=971&bih=573&source=lnms&t...
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13164 Gender:	Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I Reply #20 - 10/13/15 at 16:05:14 who you gonna believe? who knows the exact number but one things fir sure, there's bad apples among them. http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php
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Reply #21 - 10/13/15 at 18:14:12

So, from the link above.
Of the OVER 1/2 a MILLION just in 2015,
Going to some place in Europe.

It Looks like 69% are MEN ?

(Rather Close, to 2/3rds, rather than the, (what many would think is the norm), of 1/4

Gosh, I would think, 1 man, 1 woman, and 2 kids,
Would be, 'ABOUT", 25% men, 25% Women, 50% Kids.
But 69% Men ?????????

Do ya, think, their, Just Maybe, Just MAYBE, some, 'Terrorist/s', HIDING, in that group ?

But I suppose, one could be like the St. Paul people,
Who took the, Somalians to their heart.

(OBTY, St Paul Minn, is the Second Largest population of Somalians in the, WORLD. The Largest, is Somalia)

And, Today, we have Gov Gofey, trying to, 'STOP', the Somalians, from, Joining ISIS.
Let's see. They got FREE, Education/Food/Housing/Health care. And Now, they want to go live in a cave, sleep on sand, look out for snakes/lizards/scorpions, eat rocks & twigs. ???????

GIVE THE A FIRST CLASS TICKET.
CHARTER THEM A FLIGHT !

But no, it is Much better, that they are, "KEPT", here, to they can commit ALL Sorts of crimes, and LIVE off the Taxpayers.

Of course, I suppose it goes with the mindset, of St. Paul.
In the 20's 30's, St Paul was a HAVEN, for the Notorious CRIMINALS of the day. St Paul said: "Come Here, you will NOT, be prosecuted, as long as you do not commit any crimes here".

But I guess, the Latest, 'REFUGEES', St Paul brought here, (and ALL the REST of US), paid for. Didn't get the complete message !

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Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I
Reply #22 - 10/13/15 at 18:55:49

I'm comforted, not really shocked or surprised, that the average Muslim is bothered by the actions of the radicals. I see that in a few places. I am dismayed by the actions of America, things done in other countries, in My name, that I don't agree with. I have known Jews. Ran around with a guy named Fisher,, had no idea, didn't CARE that his family were Jews,, race, nothing matters to me, except behavior.
I don't want certain people for friends, but skin Color or what part of the planet someone's great great grandma was born doesn't matter.
Israeli foreign policy should disturb the Jewish people, just as American policy disturbs me, and radical Muslim action bothering the mainstream types is no shock. There's hope for humanity.
Thanks for that, Pesci.
I'll go ahead and admit, I tried reading the posts, but I can't keep the sects straight, it was just too complex for me.

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Reply #23 - 10/13/15 at 20:10:45

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" ... Why don't all these "moderates" start to get radical on the peace and prosperity side of life ..."

That is the POINT !

No One Cares, What Color of your Skin, Religion, or where you Came from ! No One. (Or very, Very, few). It is how, YOU, Act !

STOP, 'BLAMING', others, like YOU, (In Color of your Skin, Religion, or where you Came From), for acts they do.

YOU, stop them. Do Not expect, someone ELSE to do it for you !

And if you do, NOT stop them, do NOT, Blame, others, when they DO, saying : "Oh You must be 'predigest".

Someone comes into my yard, with a rusted out mini- PU, with a rusted out chest freezer in the bed, with three people in it, one gets out looking at the Pole barn, one taking notes, one walking up to me, "E go fresh See Food for sale”. (Hello, it’s MINN ??????) , “”””””” Fresh, Sea Food ”””””””” ?????

Don’t CARE, what, ‘ What Color of your Skin, Religion, or where you Came from ’, How do you ACT !!!!!!!!

So, 90% +/- of, Muslims, say they are, ‘Moderate’. OK Great.
Not a problem at all.
Then, YOU, (the 90% of the, 'moderate', Muslims), do something about the other 10%.

And if you do NOT, do NOT, tell me, I am, ‘Predigest’.

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Reply #24 - 10/14/15 at 01:01:03

"Next door to me in Illinois, Sen. D.ick Durbin is demanding we bring in 100,000 Syrians. Screw him. "

Are you aware that Christianity originated in the Middle East and that the very first to be evangelized were in the Middle East ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Syria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church
Huh

Are you aware that the very first Chritian temples excavated ("Nasreen" Synagogues) were in what was then the Kingdom of Israel
(the lewd and evil Samaritans of the Gospels; Jerusalem being the Capital City of the Kingdom of Judea) and in the Province of Syria, in the Roman Empire?
"The Syriac Orthodox Church traces its history to one of the first Christian communities in Antioch,
described in the Acts of the Apostles (New Testament, Acts 11:26) and established by the Apostle St. Peter in AD 37."
Huh

Are you aware that as long as the Ottoman Empire ruled, Jews and Christians were leading a peaceful life,

but after its collapse and French/British (hence, Christian) Protectorates in 1921, Zionism rose violently and that sparked a Christian epuration nobody is willing to talk about ?

(Mind you, my Parents in Law are Christian Palestinians from Bethlehem, family name "David", yet they were still driven out by Israeli Forces because they were not jews)
Huh

Are you aware of the Christian and Jewish communities which live in Tunisia, Morocco and Egypt, and who live in peace? But in Lybia they were driven out just like Christians?

Next time you want to chastise me with rigorous moral values, please go to Topeka, KS, and speak to the Elders of the Westboro Bapitst Church.

THAT, my friend, is exactly the same attitude, only they haven't started shooting at other Christians...
Huh

...yet ?

See what I mean ? Embarrassed

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mpescatori Serious Thumper Offline Romanum Thumperium Cavalco, yeaaah !!! Posts: 3547 Rome, Italy Gender:	Re: Down a Slippery Slope: what Muslims think of I Reply #25 - 10/14/15 at 01:19:42 For your information; it's only a one page read. http://securityobserver.org/the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-now-my-friend-the-fight-... http://www.understandingwar.org/publications?type[]=backgrounder&type[]=map&t... Interesting reads, and much more detailed info than what you find on "America Today".
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Reply #26 - 10/14/15 at 05:19:15

Mpes, have no idea what Westboro has to do with thingy Durbin pandering by bringing 100,000 Muslims refugees into this country when we all know he'll never come into contact or suffer because of it.

One good point about Westboro for you to consider, they've not set a back pack down with a ball bearing bomb next to an 8 year old kid, they've not walked on a military base and started shooting, they've not walked into a newspaper critical of them and opened fire..... and on and on and on. The world is under attack by Islamic fascist, not Christian fascist. Sorry, but I missed the story about Christians flying planes into buildings and as much as Westboro talks, they've not marched any gays to the top of a building and thrown them off to the cheers of the gathered crowd below.

Not sure why you have such a preoccupation with dragging obscure historical details into this century as if they completely explain todays world.

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Reply #27 - 10/14/15 at 06:35:17

Quote WM: "Not sure why you have such a preoccupation with dragging obscure historical details into this century as if they completely explain todays world."
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I do.

If you don't approve of dragging historical details into this century, maybe you should ask why you, as a Baptist, refer to the Bible?
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PS. "Predigest" ?? Grin

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Reply #28 - 10/14/15 at 07:12:47

WebsterMark wrote on 10/14/15 at 05:19:15:

Mpes, have no idea what Westboro has to do with thingy Durbin pandering by bringing 100,000 Muslims refugees into this country when we all know he'll never come into contact or suffer because of it.

One good point about Westboro for you to consider, they've not set a back pack down with a ball bearing bomb next to an 8 year old kid, they've not walked on a military base and started shooting, they've not walked into a newspaper critical of them and opened fire..... and on and on and on. The world is under attack by Islamic fascist, not Christian fascist. Sorry, but I missed the story about Christians flying planes into buildings and as much as Westboro talks, they've not marched any gays to the top of a building and thrown them off to the cheers of the gathered crowd below.

Not sure why you have such a preoccupation with dragging obscure historical details into this century as if they completely explain todays world.

Geez, we have to back to the 1st grade and start teaching you to read all over again...

The Syrians the US is volunteering to host are Christians.
Just like good ol' Germany is volunteering to host.
Christians, not Muslims.

I accept the fact that being born and raised to the sound of "heehaw!" and square dancing,
you may find it difficult to understand and accept there are other types of music in the world...
Why do you find it so difficult to believe that there are Christians in the Middle East?

HOLY BALONEY, CHRISTIANITY ORIGINATED IN THE MIDDLE EAST NOT IN LONDON OR PARIS!!! Angry

Now that we've set at least history straight, you claim "we're not Flying planes into buildings".
No, you are not.
But you are bombing the only life-saving infrastructure left in a ruined Country, thus targeting civilians.

This is from YOUR OWN horse's mouth.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/13/putin-cites-us-bombing-attack-on-alep...

You have a history of staging and fighting wars by proxy.
It is a Dangerous game, and sometimes the "Victor" is not as grateful and loyal as you expect him to be.
So the "war theater" falls from war to civil war, to a "peace enforcement war" to another civil war...

Why can't you just let them solve their own problems? ... see Somalia...

And, for your information, wars are fought on ideology and based on propaganda, which fed to the people because they do no remember
(or never knew, or couldn't care less) how the facts really went before someone started screaming into the microphone.

Think about it.

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Reply #29 - 10/14/15 at 07:34:15

Geez, we have to back to the 1st grade and start teaching you to read all over again...

Stop right there..... do you not get the concept of condescending attitude? Seriously? Is it being lost in your translation from Italian to English? Cause if you seriously intend on starting like that, I stop reading and you can kiss my a$$.

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