I'll bet that school was a gun free zone......

When are we going to face reality? There are 300 + million guns in the US, there is no such thing as gun control. That horse left the barn a long time ago. When the details of this shooter come out, lets see where the simplest point of interception could have occured (if there even is one) and why not focus resources on those points?

The answer certainly isn't gun free zones or the MSM castigating the NRA or the entire midwest and south as backward hicks.

you've got guns, i have no concern with you owning guns. however, take the stats on gun crime that occur in inner cities out of the equation and the US crime rates probably fall into European categories. lets start really addressing that. we had a terrible incident in st louis this week. a vets and his girlfiend were robbed after a cardinal baseball game. he was shot in the back and is now paralyzed for rest of his life. everyone knew what the background of the suspect was going to be when he was caught and of course everyone was righy.  multiple violent crimes in his history. ...why was he out?

WebsterMark wrote on 10/01/15 at 14:40:59:

The answer certainly isn't gun free zones ... "

WHAT ?

Tell me that's not true !
" Gun Free Zones "
ARE, the Answer.  
They will, STOP, the senseless killing by a Nut Job.

Or at least, we are told that,
over, and Over, and OVER,
By the majority of Media,
and the Berny Sander types.

Or, maybe, Just maybe, a, 'gun free zone',
does NOT WORK ?

Ok bot, what is your plan, and how will it work?

raydawg wrote on 10/01/15 at 18:47:15:


Okay,.. I'll get to that in a minute...
...but, what is the alternative?... and which is the alternative?...

We Need more guns...
We should all carry guns... everywhere...
We should also have better security...
We should have armed security at all public places... theatres, schools, McD's, supermarkets, malls, colleges, courts, TV stations, sporting events, concerts,...etc...

The two are mutually exclusive...
Think about it...
Everyone is armed,... and everywhere has security looking for people that might  be armed...
You can identify an armed man,... by visual, search, or metal detection... fine and dandy...
But we're all packin' for self defense... ...

Point is,... you can identify an armed man...
You can't identify a mentally disturbed man...
Most of them, were okay at some point, and lost it at some point...
Was it today?... or last week?... last year?   or 10 minutes ago?...

"Cops lives matter"... several cops have been gunned down recently...
These men were armed,.. alert, and more aware of danger than 99% of us...  Gunes didn't save them...
"American Sniper".... this man was a trained killer, as was his friend,.... expert shot,.. armed at the time,... and suspicious of the person... and was still gunned down...
You can't outdraw a drawn gun...
...if you think you can,.. you are delusional...

...And you can't ID a mentally disturbed person...
We have "metal" detectors... we don't have "mental" detectors...



I do own guns...
I have owned them since before Columbine...
I like their craftsmanship, precision, accuracy........etc...
But, times have changed...
Less guns,... more restrictions... is not the perfect answer.
It is the only answer.

I know the argument...  a gun is just tool...
Well,.. it isn't...
For most people it is a thingy enhancement...
Just like a sportscar, 4x4, Hog, crotch rocket, I-pad, Rolex, Nike's, or Confederate flag...

Let's call a spade a spade... ...
Let's call a thingy a thingy... ...



Site censor bit me in da' butt...  ....
...

I know the argument...  a gun is just tool...
Well,.. it isn't...
For most people it is a thingy enhancement...
Just like a sportscar, 4x4, Hog, crotch rocket, I-pad, Rolex, Nike's, or Confederate flag...

None of these people are walking into schools and shooting everyone, but these are the people liberal gun control laws impact. It makes no sense.

You want some perspective? This causalities at this school shooting number far less than Chicago's July 4th weekend. We are going ape$hit over this and Hopey's calling for yet more laws yet Chicago has some of the toughest and this weekend it's 50/50 that just as many will be killed.

No, we can't have armed security everywhere and I wouldn't want that anyway. But there is a fact that's just plain tough to get around. The thing that had the highest likelihood of stopping this was another armed person in that school. In fact, there was an army vet at the school who was packing (said he didn't care about the signs saying gun free zone), but he didn't hear about it right away and was too far. If he'd been near by, the damage would have been limited.

There is no easy answer, just a tough question: In a free society like ours, is this the price we have to pay?

Free and secure, is sorta like sweet and sour or pretty ugly, an oxymoron.....
How about we can still walk around freely but the authorities install and monitor scanners that ping off of a chip implanted....
No return ping we got a person who is trying to hide, and we nabbed em'

Gun free zones don't work.
All they do is disarm law abiding citizens.
Which isn't a bad thing, keeping guns outta the hands of hot headed kids is smart.

I believe there are multiple reasons to have guns that will not change, ever.
crime-leo's are not responsible for your safety.  if leo's were stationed on every block, would they be there to protect you or control you?
wildlife-bears come to my neighborhood frequently.  I might be able to fend off the lessors critters with a shovel, but a bear will use it to pick his teeth with after he ate you.
entertainment-putting holes in targets is fun.  the bigger hole, the more fun.

I haven't followed what the laws were broken yet in this case.
Did he have the guns legally?

when will the future crime police come?