Serowbot wrote on 10/05/15 at 09:11:07:

Who,.. did the founders intend to regulate this militia?...
They said, "well regulated"... not "unregulated"... ...

... but, honestly,.. what do you believe they meant by "well regulated"?...

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Right from the horses mouth, so to speak.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php

In case you don't care to read the whole thing yourself.

"On June 26, 2008, in District of Columbia v. Heller (PDF), the United States Supreme Court issued its first decision since 1939 interpreting the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.  The Court ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution confers an individual right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense."

"In the majority opinion authored by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court first conducted a textual analysis of the operative clause, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The Court found that this language guarantees an individual right to possess and carry weapons. The Court examined historical evidence that it found consistent with its textual analysis. The Court then considered the Second Amendment’s prefatory clause, "[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," and determined that while this clause announces a purpose for recognizing an individual right to keep and bear arms, it does not limit the operative clause. The Court found that analogous contemporaneous provisions in state constitutions, the Second Amendment’s drafting history, and post-ratification interpretations were consistent with its interpretation of the amendment. The Court asserted that its prior precedent was not inconsistent with its interpretation. "

So that's what the supreme court thinks it means. Until such time as there is another case and a different decision, we can jabber about it all we want, but there it is.

My plane is landing so I gotta go, but here is a link from my favorites list that I found once. contains a list of quotes.

A fair reading of the amendment, especially when viewed alongside the other 9 which restict the government's ability to force citizens to think or act a cettain way, has to lead you to believe they wanted the citizens to have the freedom to arm themselves and to restict  the government's ability to disarm them. Any other core meaning requires quite a stretch.

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html

Serowbot wrote on 10/05/15 at 09:57:57:


Here is what the SPLC thinks of them:

THE INTELLIGENCE PROJECT IDENTIFIED 1,096 ANTIGOVERNMENT “PATRIOT” GROUPS THAT WERE
ACTIVE IN 2013. Of these groups, 240 were militias, marked with an asterisk, and the remainder includes “common-law”
courts, publishers, ministries and citizens’ groups. Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the “New World
Order,” engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines. Listing here
does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist. The list was
compiled from field reports, Patriot publications, the Internet, law enforcement sources and news reports. Groups are identified
by the city, county or region where they are located.

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/d6_legacy_files/active_patriot_...

Best regards,

how many of those 240 walked into a school and opened fire last year?

mpescatori wrote on 10/05/15 at 08:51:09:

" ... I perfectly well know of the 2nd Amendment, I studied all Amendments ..."

Did you study, when, that was written, and When, this part of N.A. became a independent country?

Did you study, how words change?

Not long ago, one could sit on a bench waiting for a bus. And a person walks by.
(You happen to know that person that walked by).
You say, to the person sitting next to you, (waiting for the bus):
“That person is really Gay".
The person sitting next to you, believes, you just stated: ‘That person is really Happy'.
Today, you get thrown in Jail, for a hate crime.

How about, ‘Plunger’.
Today, we all know what a, ‘Plunger’ is used for.
But LONG, before Plumbing, any kind of plumbing, was used.
(Now don’t get into a tit telling about the Romans, who had ‘bath’ houses,
here they were called, ‘outhouses’,
Only difference was they deffacatied on a bench which was over a stream of running water).
Their was a, ‘Plunger’.  Which meant, ‘Gambler’.
As in: A Person who, ‘plunges’ into something.

So, ‘words’ change, but ‘Meaning’ does not.
The 2nd Adm, is ALL about the Citizens Right, to protect themselves, from a ‘oppressive’ government.

In THIS, Country, we have that right.
In yours?  Don’t know.
What would happen if another, Mussolini came along ?

I give,.. you all win... ...

We're all allowed 22lr. (the most common ammo)..
...as long as we share...  ...

Are those 240 "militia's"  sharing?... ...
They are "Patriots",... Right?... ...


The insanity of the TT, has me politically punch drunk...
I need a recess..
TTFN...