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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #210 - 11/22/15 at 21:29:09
 
OF, if 110 million computers have now gone to Win 10, do you have any idea of what percentage of the worlds computers 110 million is?


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=...

As of October 2014, there were nearly 2 billion personal computers used worldwide.   The 2015 number number has actually declined some since then as no one is buying replacement PCs like they used to ......

So, using your 110 million figure, Microsoft has only converted roughly 5% of the total population of computers to Windows 10.  It must be noted that the conversion process is slowing greatly over the last two months as computer owners take action to STOP MS from converting them against their wishes.

Of the 5% that have converted, roughly 40% of the converted are having some sort of driver or other sort of nagging issues that have not been fixed at this point in time.

If MS had good intentions and was acting honorably about this process and had a good & complete product, there would be no push back.

But they aren't acting honorably, and have tried to hide the high levels of issues being seen by the recently converted in order to keep the process going on schedule.  

So many issues have been hidden and so much false information put forward concerning the 3 sets of accidental conversions or all the "buggy" updates, etc. --- so much so that the user push back level is increasing month by month accordingly.

Why would MS do this?   If your product, such as your Win 10 phones, are noticeably incomplete or buggy, then you HAVE to hide this from your users or they won't willingly convert.

And, if they don't willingly convert so you can control them and "totally own them" then you have no ongoing future pathway except subterfuge if your name is Microsoft.   You know you cannot compete fairly as your product is not that good and the eventual real cost of it is actually very high.  

So you promise all sorts of glowing new features and abilities and hope enough rubes buy your spiel and take your "free upgrade" before it becomes obvious the new stuff isn't all that great, or else some of it simply isn't coming at all, ever.    

Examples of such oversold BS could be the "advantages of the Edge browser" and "Win 10 Mobile with Continuum for all existing Windows phones" == stuff that either isn't nearly right yet or else simply ain't EVER going to happen.

So you give Win 10 away for free for a short period of time (promising weekly that all sorts of fixes will be here soon) and LOCK those consumers in by removing their choices completely and controlling them completely.

Knowledgeable consumers would never willingly pick your buggy partially complete product, so keep them in the dark as much as possible and take all elements of control away from them as quickly as you possibly can.

Right now, by removing the DVD ISO install pathway using your old license key Microsoft has once again put consumers BACK UNDER THEIR TOTAL NIGHTLY CONTROL AGAIN.  

Microsoft will begin doing the unwilling automatic conversions of the lazy and the unknowing starting early in 2016.   And still all the fixes promised for the November big release have not materialized, with only 60% of the promised fixes even being given a partial "lick and a promise".

That is like starting 6 weeks from now ......

Now what is scary is that the latest big November upgrade is being rolled back now, and nobody knows why.

Makes it sorta hard to "trust us", huh?

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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #211 - 11/23/15 at 19:35:13
 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/windows-10-update-threshold-2-deletes-essential-defa...



Threshold 2 deletes essential default programs and freezes during upgrade

We are still waiting on MS to explain why they are welshing on all the novel features they have now backed out of the Threshold 2 November update and why they have gone back to strictly doing the secret middle of the night type upgrades instead of letting people reformat their hard drives and reinstall the entire thing fresh using the MS software key code.

But what we do find FASCINATING is this little nugget from International Business Times, as once again MS is getting slammed on by a major financial news source.   This time it is not the Wall Street Journal but this time it is the British equivalent financial news source called International Business Times.   And once again, the article could affect MS stock prices as people are really getting cussing mad over this one.

Threshold 2 deleting essential programs and drivers

"And if that isn't annoying enough, users have been complaining on Reddit that various important default programs needed to run the computer are being deleted without notice as Threshold 2 installs, and you only find out that the program is gone or had its settings altered after the installation is complete.

According to angry users, the programs affected by Threshold 2 include Intel's Rapid Storage Technology software, SATA storage interface drivers, laptop mouse trackpad drivers, Java Eclipse Mars, VPN clients from various makers including Cisco and F5, apps preinstalled by the computer manufacturer, Windows' own Remote Server Tools, the Adobe Reader app, Adobe CS Suite, Android Studio, CPU-Z, HWMonitor and Spybot Search and Destroy.

"This is retarded, windows reinstalling their sh**ty apps and uninstalling people's programs," wrote Reddit user Krelianz.

"That's f**king bulls**t. I really hope people oppose this vigorously and stop being Microsoft fanboys like this subreddit always is. Just this once. I mean this is totally unacceptable. This isn't what an 'update' is supposed to do," added Reddit user indeepth0ught."



My take is that MS feels like they CAN remove anything that conflicts with any newly developed Win 10 systems software as they claimed that right by the EULA you click approved so long ago.

This means if they want to lock you into some newly written MS software, not only can they automatically install it on your machine in the middle of the night, but they can DELETE your old programs and files and uninstall the old softwares that you paid money for and that YOU LIKE TO USE.


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"This is retarded, windows reinstalling their sh**ty apps and uninstalling people's programs," wrote Reddit user Krelianz.

"That's f**king bulls**t. I really hope people oppose this vigorously and stop being Microsoft fanboys".
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Reply #212 - 11/23/15 at 20:03:55
 
I wonder what would happen to the global economy, if say 1 billion didn't "upgrade", or found a way of stopping the "shovelware", or whatever you techies call it, and the MS share price took a significant hit, or even collapsed.
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Reply #213 - 11/24/15 at 05:43:01
 

Microsoft isn't going to collapse, WE AS CONSUMERS ARE NO LONGER THEIR MAJOR MARKET and we are not currently paying any of their bills, us old USA consumers, using our old software that was paid for over 10 years ago.

We are just unruly children who are being used as Beta Testers as they refine their tricks before putting them into use in Enterprise versions of the same Win 10 OS.

Will Big Business be happy with the new sneaky misleading domineering Microsoft ???

That is the real question.

Big Business will decide MS's fate.


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Remember, Chromebook doesn't have any shovelware and Google doesn't delete your installed this and that, ever, unless it was found to be an active malware in disguise.   Then you were given the CHOICE to let Chrome OS remove it completely.   Your choice, your click.   Hell, there was a separate pre-click that made you respond that you had really read and understood about the issue and you weren't just auto-clicking along.

Google doesn't mess with people at all, Google isn't very sneaky and that is becoming a major draw to their software now-a-days because MS certainly does mess with people a lot and MS IS VERY VERY SNEAKY OF LATE.


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So, Oldfeller, why do you have a protected, shielded, carefully controlled Win 7 partition on your Linux box?



The ONLY thing that Chromebooks (and Linux) don't do right now is play some really big AAA game titles that started out in Xbox space.

But Steam and Gabe are working on it, and the first wave of Steamboxes is out now for sale this Christmas.    Prices on the first units are too high, but the market will bring that down quickly enough.  Some AAA game titles have moved over, and some have not, depending on contractual agreements with MS and others.  

I will NEVER likely see Master Chief on my machine, ever.    MS isn't going to support Steamboxes, not in this lifetime anyway.

In counter, MS is desperately trying to get a patent based lock on some of the key aspects of gaming.  ON ANYTHING,  because MS knows that if gaming goes away from them, so do they (within 5 years, give or take).    This is why year on year they are willing to continue losing a mint on XBox -- it is considered mission critical to PC in the consumer space.   BTW, MS XBox losses are way up lately too.   Doing better than Sony Playstations, though.

MS's attempts to buy AMD recently were actually in pursuit of this goal, but AMD turned control of the Vulcan gaming video standards over to FOSS immediately when this became known, and MS immediately dropped their buyout attempts as they would not be buying the video standard that they wanted with the company.

Right now the new video standard used by MS (Direct X 12) is temporarily somewhat better than what FOSS has to offer, but there are very few existing video cards (actually no inexpensive ones) that are using that new MS Direct X 12 based standard at the moment.  

The Vulcan open source standard however is very widespread, as is the old AMD Catalyst system which came before it  (note that these were among the things that Win 10 automatically REMOVED from users's machines during the November Update that pissed so many Europeans off so badly).

Is MS acting in restraint of free trade?    One might think that is the case,  as reportedly MS caught a judge's legal injunction for doing that shite,  which then caused Microsoft to pull the big November Threshold 2 update on all machines out there,  going back to the previous edition along with its nightly hidden update system.    

Yep, the big mysterious pull back has possibly been explained ...... more pie in the face for MS.

Yep, there were possibly legal reasons for the abrupt about face MS just did on the November Threshold 2 Update -- it was potentially illegal for them to do that to YOUR machine, removing the installed drivers and software that YOU HAD PUT IN PLACE.  

This was a MS directly done potentially illegal action that in effect shut some competitive products down completely.
 
It was actionable.   And noticeably stupid, too.

My video card uses AMD Catalyst drivers, so no, I will NOT be going to Win 10 as my video card would quit working, repeatedly, as MS deleted my Catalyst drivers time after time after time in the wee hours of the night.   Screw that.

Win 7, locked down and shielded, is good enough for me on my gaming partition though, thank you very much.
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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #214 - 11/24/15 at 09:55:29
 

Some local courts are considering pushing class actions that would have MS send out brand new Win 7 and Win 8.1 DVD's to the complainants along with brand new unencumbered license keys  ---  why? ---  because MS substantially misrepresented Windows 10's progress (state of completion) in order to get the users to switch over and then MS locked them out of being able to reload their old software after 30 days -- illegally -- according to their existing licenses.

I find it fascinating that MS's original talking head boy, ol' flippy hair boy, is out of the country for a whole year right about now .... he is unavailable for any direct testimony.

If this goes very far, or becomes very widespread, then it may be game over for MS as their future pathway DEPENDS on locking you into Win 10 as a powerless dependent.   Having the courts say you are not powerless kinda undercuts MS's game plan.

And I wonder how many of the 130 million would go back at this stage, knowing what they now know.   Certainly a chunk of the 38-40% who are still having nagging driver issues would go back -- in heart beat -- if they could.

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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #215 - 11/25/15 at 06:54:28
 

However, if offered the chance to go back on Win 10, many would not go.

There ARE people who are happy with Win 10.   Generally they are users who don't do much with the computer beyond browsing and light social networking.   They are happy that MS is taking care of them now all the way and they DO NOT HAVE TO THINK AT ALL.

Some also have no problem paying out some money occasionally, as they always have had to pay for everything all along in their computing life.   Paying for "subscription service" is natural to these folks.

These folks also believe everything MS tells them, which makes them perfect MS customers.

They have been told that the constantly changing MS Win 10 operating system is "evolving and getting better" and they see just enough progress out of the churn to believe this is real.

They take pride in watching their machine delay 2-3 minutes at each computer turn on while the current crop of nightly MS updates are integrated into their machine, because to them that is progress in motion.   Daily progress, updates that they have faith will make their computer better.

"See, MS is making new changes to make my computer better .... oops, that's odd -- well they will fix that tonight or tomorrow night with the new updates."

Microsoft has worked on Win 10 for over 5 years now, including when it was Win 9, and this is what they have come up with.   A constant churn, every night you get used to push updates out to everybody else, updates that fix item A for somebody but cause other issues for persons B & C.

Eventually they will get drivers for your hardware, too, whenever the driver pixies get the driver gnomes to give them the raw forged magic metal to make them with.


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Would MS's demise hurt the economy?    Considering that MS is being slowly replaced by other systems and methods that do the same jobs, no, MS will die off by simply becoming irrelevant.

Microsoft is with us, they intend to try to be with us in phones and in IoT and in VR and all the rest of the new forms of computing.  

Trouble is, they aren't very good at these new things when compared to their competitors.   And they have competitors now, real ones.

So, MS shrinks year on year ...... each year trying a new way to take over the world.
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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #216 - 11/25/15 at 09:56:12
 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-100s-11-6-laptop-intel-atom-2gb-me...



I mentioned Lenovo was in a money crunch and was going to be dumping some inventory, right?

Best Buy will sell you an "open box" unit for $116 with Office 365 for a year.  That is cheap, huh, and Black Friday and Cyber Monday are still to come.
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Reply #217 - 11/26/15 at 14:08:49
 
Well Raspberry is at it again! $5 computer here we go!

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/5-computer-change-world-171124178.html
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Reply #218 - 11/27/15 at 10:25:02
 


For $5 Raspberry Pi Zero is getting reviewed as being 3x faster than the original Pi and 7 time cheaper.   Has fewer I/O ports though, but it runs ALL the original Pi software family, Raspian, etc. using the ports it does have.   Trick is to buy a USB hub that supports the thing, they have several identified that work OK now.

Yep, Raspberry Pi is getting better, has better throughput (faster, stronger) AND is getting cheaper, but it still supports its distributors and software sub-vendors with a small profit margin.   It isn't much, but the folks still like it well enough to write for it.

Nobody in Pi space is greedy, indeed some of them simply accept "donations to the cause" as that actually gets them more money quicker as they get ready to make a new revision available.


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http://makezine.com/2015/11/28/chip-vs-pi-zero/

C.H.I.P. (black one on the right) is a $9 one up on the Pi Zero that has the maker crowd in a buzz -- based on a cheap Allwinner phone chip it has all the built in stuff that you have to buy then hook up to get a Pi running completely to suit you.


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Microsoft and Intel have nothing -- all their attempts at this hobby space flopped miserably.

All Intel has is a $100 hobby board.   And its uses Android, not MS anything to run.

MS still hasn't built a successful Win 10 phone yet, much less a hobby board.   MS seems to be content to survive off of Big Business right now and until that changes, you will have MS to support your Big Box PC stuff with the nightly update churn nonsense.   Nothing else.

MS is trying to get ALL their PCs gathered under one roof without pissing anybody off mortally, and it's HARD for them to do that.   The programmers are given goals of things to do with each level, and when they go do them and they SHOW UP in the nightlies and do what they are intended to do, well then the Europeans have kittens about it and MS gets caught doing more "legally actionable" strange stuff and has to back track again.

Next year it is all going to hit a wall when MS claims that the Win 7/8.1 to Win 10 roll over is NOW REQUIRED to keep your computer secure and you MUST kill off all your old software and drivers and only use the approved MS stuff that they just sent to you last night as part of your required upgrade path.   And you will have to buy whatever MS tells you to buy for Office, etc. etc. going forward.

If you have not ever clicked to accept the Win 10 EULA ever, then doing this to you is illegal and actionable.

Then the court case goes before the EU -- and we see what we shall see.

I hope it happens, goes to trial and gets all shaken out before we hit the one year update deadline.

Best case, the EU constricts and limits MS in certain ways that keep computing free and competitive.   Worst case, MS takes over the PC world autocratically and you get NO CHOICE going forward.   MS just owns you.

Then, in late 2016 Google finally uncorks a full span general purpose OS and then MS and Google go through competitive improvement cycles one-upping each other from then on forward.    This assumes the Alphabet boys don't get distracted by something else, say a rigged up lawsuit or two on some other issue ..... it's not like MS hasn't done that to them lately, now is it?

Microsoft will be suffering from a lack of drivers still, and Google will have a strong advantage as they certify all hardware like Apple does and Google simply doesn't have that bad driver issue to deal with.

Believe it or not, Apple has lost more Macs lately to the current somewhat lame competition between Google and MS than MS has PCs.   iOS and MacOS still are separate, but are edging closer all the time.

Google is still picking up all the loose market share, except when Lenovo is dumping Windows 10 laptops below their mgf cost like they are currently doing.   Then MS gains some share as something running Win 10 is "right priced" finally.

Lenovo has no choice, however, their last year's Win 8.1 inventory stock MUST move out to free up vital cash to keep them in business for 2016.   The processors in these "dumpees" are starting to get stale and soon enough will be seen as "obsolete" -- the time to convert them all to Win 10 and dump them on the marketplace is NOW when MS is still screwed up enough to take all the blame for the sorry unit performance.
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Reply #220 - 11/30/15 at 10:16:45
 

http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-mobile-news-recap-market-share-goes-up...

I have stated that MS is pushing out a GREAT DEAL of very misleading information.   Let's talk some about the latest "news flash" from MS.

"We learned this past week that Windows 10 Mobile usage as increased to 7 percent, compared to 5.7 percent the previous month. The number will likely increase when more people get their pre-ordered Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XLs. The new operating system is also set to hit existing devices in the coming months in phases to selected devices."

First thought is "Where did they get these numbers?   MS had 3% market share at peak counting all Win Phone varieties, and that has just recently dropped down to 1.7% market share as their fan base abandons them -- where did they get these  5.7% and 7% growth numbers? "

The answer is quite simple, to Microsoft the world of phone ONLY contains Windows phones.   This tiny 1.7% market share (and shrinking) pie is split up into various Windows phone segments by Microsoft for analysis.

What they are really saying as the fans leave the sinking ship, abandoning all the Win Phones fairly evenly, but more especially the ones that MS has also co-abandoned, the shrinking pie has changed shape --- and the Win 10 phone segment of the shrinking pie has grown from 5.7% of a 3% market share pie to a whopping 7% of a 1.7% market share pie.   But hey, is this really growth at all ??????

.057x.03 = 0.00171 of total real market share                    .07x.017 = 0.00119 of total real market share

                1-(0.00119/0.00171) = 30% decline in real unit count vs real total market share            

In other words, the Win 10 phone pie slice shrank drastically, but compared to the even faster shrinking Win Phone market share pie they can claim the Win 10 slice "grew" 1.3%  relative to the even smaller and smaller size of the ever shrinking Win Phone round pie.      

..... Please remember, the Win Phone total pie can shrink simply because Android and Apple total pies GREW that much in the same time period.

In other words, it is all just about complete malarky, intended to mislead and misdirect and keep the real secret still secret -- Win 10 phone is a flop but it is still the great white hope for Windows 10's total future gro..... Please remember, the Win Phone total pie can shrink simply because Android GREW in the same time period.wth.

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...... is it any wonder people are fleeing Win phone as fast as they can?    Nor why MS resorts to funny numbers to make their stuff seem larger than it is?


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Reply #221 - 11/30/15 at 11:38:32
 

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3009440/windows-pcs/windows-10s-usage-sh...

Just read it -- the gist is that Windows 10 although completely free has dropped below the ongoing adoption rate of Windows 7 back when Windows 7 was new.

This also highlights the problems that Microsoft is having now that people are not believing the bullshit that they're saying all over the place about how great Windows 10 is and how well it is being accepted.

The main difference is that Windows 7 was liked and paid for by people because it was well written, completely finished and relatively flaw free.   Windows 10 is none of these things.  

People are correctly reacting to seeing Windows 10 using strong arm tactics to try to get on to their machine and then abusing them once it arrives  by deleting their software and changing their settings nightly -- time after time, night after night.
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Reply #222 - 11/30/15 at 11:49:44
 

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/windows-10-class-action-microsoft/

Windows 10 Users May Pursue Class-Action Against Microsoft

The message says that after upgrading to Windows 10 via ‘automatic updates’ thousands of the PCs have “been rendered useless,” and left with 1. no sound, 2. no operating screen time 3. no access (password issues) 3. memory issues 4. lost files 5. unauthorized access by Microsoft.”

Meanwhile, the lead enjoyed by the Windows 10 over the adoption rate of Windows 7 at the same post-launch point in its lifecycle evaporated. Windows 10 has lost its lead despite it being offered for free, claims data from a Web analytics firm.
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Reply #223 - 12/01/15 at 07:27:40
 
So far no issues with mine, maybe I haven't been 'upgraded' yet
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Reply #224 - 12/01/15 at 09:14:00
 

Art, there are about 30% of the Win 10 population who report "no issues" when answering polls.

Sad part is some start out with no issues and then get one later on, unnecessarily, due to a new  update that does not agree with their machine.

Some machines are odd,  the ones who were tweeked by the maker with custom drivers to suit abnormal hardware mixes (generally Compaq did this, said it made their machines faster than normal.   Dell does it too.)

Now here comes MS, wanting to do it their way, automatically  ....  on non-standard equipment that has been sitting there for 3-10 years now.
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