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irishjake YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 33	Re: oil Reply #30 - 09/06/15 at 14:17:56 What grade of Mobil 4t racing do you use? I can only find 15w50 although the Mobil site says there is also 10w40
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Reply #31 - 09/07/15 at 09:49:07

verslagen1 wrote on 09/01/15 at 20:57:24:

Boogie_with_Stu wrote on 09/01/15 at 20:49:53:

[i]jcstokes wrote on 09/01/15 at 18:57:24:
I visited www.shell.ie they list shell Rimula oils as heavy duty diesel oils. Whether these are the same or similar to Rotella I can't say. I do note that some in the 10w-40 range are suffixed F6 whereas this forum favours Rotella T6. If you go down this path, and it would do no harm to contact Shell Ireland regarding ZDDP content stay away from anything suffixed F6E as these are energy saving. There is a site, Bob the oil guy who may help.

The T6 is a fully synthetic oil. I dont recall anyone here recommending synthetics Huh

I bought the T1 straight grade Rotella 15w-40. Did I get the wrong oil?

Look at your label again, T1 is straight 10, 30, 40 or 50, not 15w-40.

We favor Rotella, some lean T, some T6.

I lean T6.

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Checked the jug in the shed....Rotella T, 15W 40.
I dont know where I got the idea that synthetics were not recommended on the Savage. I do troll the Honda Rebel/Nighthawk 250 forums so it might have come from there. More than likely I just "misunderstood" something I read here Shocked

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Reply #32 - 09/07/15 at 10:04:37

irishjake wrote on 09/06/15 at 14:17:56:

What grade of Mobil 4t racing do you use? I can only find 15w50 although the Mobil site says there is also 10w40

It's the 15w 50 I have been using. We seem to be limited in what is available over here when compared to the US. I am sure there is probably a nice cheap oil available in the UK which just needs pepping up with some ZDDP additive to be perfect for the savage. Problem is I just haven't found it yet!

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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: oil Reply #33 - 09/07/15 at 10:13:04 Irishjake, FWIW, I called Mobil and they told me that Mobil 1 racing 4T has 1300 ppm ZDDP. I am using it in my bike as is.
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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: oil Reply #34 - 09/07/15 at 10:15:57 By the way the grade is 10W40 as Suzuki recommends.
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Reply #35 - 09/07/15 at 13:39:00

Eureka! Emailed Exol (UK company) I use their universal tractor oil in my landrover discovery , most Landrover forums recommend this Got an email back very quickly which is nice as im still waiting to hear back from most other companies. (Opie oils excepted, who were very helpful). Any way Rob Lundie at Exol stated that their 10w40 motorcycle oil contains 1200 ppm also they sell optima vimax 10w40 and vanguard rally 20w50 which contain 1400 zinc He says these last 2 aren't recommended for wet clutches but he has heard that they have been used without any problems. My only dilemma now is that the distributor only had 20l containers of the motorcycle oil at 110 euro😁 so have to decide wether to risk the non JASO oil (although it is about half the price)

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Reply #36 - 09/07/15 at 15:27:23

If I'm right,, I THINK it was only in the last few years that Rotella T was actually tested and rated. They didn't change the oil to meet the standards, they had just never bothered to advertise as bike oil. The Kawasaki Bayou 250 forum, full of Rotella users.
If it's good enough to keep big rig engines alive, it's good oil. Diesels run high compression, harsh loads inside, and a million miles isn't considered extreme.
Someone posted a site that compares oils..
Bobtheoilguy or something,,
Might be helpful, I dunno.

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Reply #37 - 09/08/15 at 10:08:17

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/07/15 at 15:27:23:

If I'm right,, I THINK it was only in the last few years that Rotella T was actually tested and rated. They didn't change the oil to meet the standards, they had just never bothered to advertise as bike oil. The Kawasaki Bayou 250 forum, full of Rotella users.
If it's good enough to keep big rig engines alive, it's good oil. Diesels run high compression, harsh loads inside, and a million miles isn't considered extreme.
Someone posted a site that compares oils..
Bobtheoilguy or something,,
Might be helpful, I dunno.

Here is the site:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

and I also came across this, which could be of interest:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: oil Reply #38 - 09/08/15 at 10:24:22 been there, done that, not doing it again. bobisouroil.god We got our own oil thread (and wars) if you want to wade thru them. and if you want to wade thru theirs and summarize it would be appreciated.
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Reply #39 - 09/08/15 at 11:56:28

tom3949 wrote on 09/06/15 at 13:19:00:

irishjake wrote on 09/06/15 at 08:07:08:

Had a look at the Mobil racing. Apart from the price the only problem seems to be that it might have too much zddp 1700 ppm Is that too much?

That should be fine. The guys in the know here seem to recommend anything between 1200 - 1800 ppm or even higher - but I am sure someone will come along to correct me if I am wrong on this. Wink

I can't remember where the oil test I read was found - but it was from a reliable source. Their results showed that anything over 1,400 ppm of ZDDP can cause wear to occur. As a result....I try to keep mine over 1,200 and under 1,400.

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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: oil Reply #40 - 09/08/15 at 18:51:03 I'm with Dave on this one. I run ~1200 ppm. Anything more really is not good for the engine. Zinc is actually a metal and will eat through your bearings at higher concentrations.
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Reply #42 - 09/09/15 at 03:13:58

Kenny G wrote on 09/08/15 at 20:31:27:

Are we still thinking that we should add an ounce of the Redline Additive to each oil change?
Kenny G

That is what I do. And when I go to use my Redline bottle there is always a white sludge on the bottom that can't be shaken off the bottom. I stand the bottle in my ultra-sonic cleaner with the heater turned on, and agitate and heat it for about 10 minutes.....then when I shake it the sludge goes back into solution. If you don't have the ultrasonic cleaner you might be able to put the bottle in a hot water bath and do the same thing.

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Reply #43 - 09/09/15 at 07:55:37

Dave,

I have my bottle of Redline on my workbench and every time I use the work bench I shake the bottle and turn it end for end and repeat the process each time I use the workbench.

I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner, so I will use the hot water bath. I changed oil yesterday and so far the there is no white sludge in the bottom of my six month old bottle.

Incidentally Amazon has the T6 Rotella for less than $20.00. For rural folks Amazon is a lifesaver.

http://www.amazon.com/Shell-Rotella-550019921-Synthetic-Diesel/dp/B005CHT4W6/...

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