Love to hear your thoughts on my theory....
And please extend any you have too!

I was thinking about the rise of popularity of two candidates on the outside edge of our political spectrum, Trump and Sanders.

At the beginning. both were marginalized by the mainstream operatives, ridiculed for their ideas, instead of entertained with dialogue.
However, and I don't think any other explanation exist, a real grassroot groundswell has started at the water coolers, pubs, and soccer matches, of people really finding common ground regarding political/social affairs in our nation.
I think the same emotions sparked the Black Lives Matter movement too, knowing the left only gave these folks lip service....

I tried to find a common fault, or link, that I can thread into the tapestry of the fabric that (should) hold our sovereignty together...
I went back to the founding fathers.
In simple terms our nation was steered early, by what it would become, by mostly a single source....

White male landowners.

I really don't want to debate their merits (at this point) but it is easy to see how one common point of view could lead to the perception of promoting their own agenda....
Are we all not guilty of that ourselves?

So, through out the progression of growing a new nation based on novel ideas, those who were not of the same inherent breed ( race, gender, faith, etc)  begin to experience a growing concern that their own best interest, was not being addressed, as they were not equally represented in the positions, that allowed them to steer our nation/society in a manner they saw  as equal, and fair....
These folks organized accordingly.
Looking to insert, and extend, their power into the process, by their commonality of breed.

Exampled by all the caucuses, and lobbying groups, who are agenda, or breed based/driven, the very thing they seek to promotes, their OWN needs first....
Was/is the driving factor, that was charged against the White male landowner, and gave rise for the need of special interest groups.

So, I am seeing we are trying to "fix" a system using the very tool, that broke the system, in the first place....

It leads to societal fragmentation, infighting, and just a bunch of toxic emotions, as we all seek to assure our piece of the pie, instead of making sure our neighbor has a bite first....

Furthermore, I don't think this is  the hoped for results, I just think its one of the hurdles of a democracy, as freedom not extended to all, is freedom not available to anyone.

When government is used as a tool to restrict any citizens rights to/of freedom, like freedom of speech, even tho the words are ugly, it has crossed over a proverbial line, and now is in conflict with itself...

We didn't awaken to this problem overnight, it has been a gradual decent, as we have used our freedoms, to impose our beliefs, like trying to level the playing field for all (sounds good, eh?) on others, at the cost of impinging on their freedom(s).

I think this is why Trump and Sanders are enjoying such a success....
It is not that their message is the answer, no, but I think it is removing some of the protocol that has hamstrung dialogue on discussing some of the issues, and concerns, of so many people....
Without charging them of character deficit, for asking a question about any given concern they might have.

Nothing is taboo, if its honest, the truth can never be denied, even tho constrained, it will consume too much energy, wasted, in trying to squash it, opportunity to repair and nurture a democracy, lost......

Do I make any sense?  

ray
me> just so tired of all    the BS that is spruing from the blow hole

FerousBastard wrote on 08/23/15 at 01:50:02:


I would agree our 3 tier system, the judicial, has become an extension of the party in power, which would render your two chamber claim validity.....

Could you expand on your observation a little more in detail, how you came to this conclusion, I'd love to hear your perspective, THANKS!

FerousBastard wrote on 08/23/15 at 12:53:45:


I agree.
The current tend is not sustainable, further erosion, decay, will result.
Society will become hyper-two tier, wealthy, and poor, as the degrees of separation melt down into two distinct societies.

If one was to stop and consider the demise of many failed systems in the past, it would seem most reached this plateau before collapse.....