In 5 billion years,... our galaxy will crash into Andromeda and everything we know will be destroyed...

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...and I still don't want Trump to be president...  ...

Elizabeth is a female version of Bernie Sanders....which is to say worthless.

I don't know why Democrats don't get behind Webb. If I was a Republican candidate, I'd be scared to death of Webb gaining traction. Hell, given the choice between Jeb Bush and Webb, I'd vote for Webb and I haven't voted for a Democrat since I found my brains after voting for Jimmy Carter and then Bill Clinton the first time!  I'd consider Webb before Bush, Trump, maybe even Rubio.

In another job I had, I was following a mini-battle between Lindsey Graham and Jim Webb. It had to do with something called the Berry Amendment which states that fibers, yards and finished fabrics used to manufacture the uniforms for military personnel must be sourced from materials produced within the US with some allowances for reciprocating countries such as Canada, Great Britain etc...   The raw fiber material for our yarns had it's origins in Hungary which wasn't on the current list. The yarn spinner we were talking to was located in Virginia which is how Webb got involved. The current yarn spinner with all the business was in the Carolinas which is how Graham got involved. Many yarn and fabric producers (95% located in either North or South Carolina) would go out of business if fibers and yarns from other countries were given Berry Amendment exemptions. Graham was enlisted to make sure no changes were made and Webb was enlisted to push for more exemptions. I followed the action because we stood to gain if Webb 'won'. My memory is basically Webb punted and didn't fight to add exemptions because 1) Graham was way further up the pecking order than Webb was. Webb had Tom Colburn from OK in his corner because there was a company in OK who wanted other countries added. Together, those two were still not as influential as Graham. The second reason is I seem to recall reading Webb really didn't think it a good idea to add exemptions to other countries. The whole idea behind the Berry Amendment in the first place was that if the US went to war with a nation supplying critical elements to the war effort, we'd spend a lot of time and money looking for alternative suppliers during a very busy time. Not a good idea. I respected Webb for not fighting to hard on this issue. Of course on the other hand, this was a relatively small piece of business with a single company asking for help. The number of jobs and taxes increased if he'd 'won' would have been relatively small. If the numbers had been much larger, who knows?, maybe Webb goes to the mat to expand the list.

But the bottom line is he didn't 'sell out' so I give him points for that.

I'd vote Trump, Ventura..
Fiorina Says things that I like, but how she wrecked the company she was running bugs me. Note that Bush's fabulous business history didn't hurt him.
When exit polls are completely different from the vote count, I question it.
And, changing the players doesn't change the game. I agreed with Obama that America needs fundamental change, which he accomplished. He went the wrong way. Wars used to be bubs, JFK was bringing the boys home. LBJ turned the ships around. Can you imagine being on the ship, president has decided to get out, and he is murdered and the new guy says,
Go back, fight and die...

The attack on the Liberty, if you haven't studied it, and I'm not talking about the fluff, read what came out years later, LBJ called fighters back,


I want that GD ship on the bottom.


That way they could've blamed Egypt and we could sell another war to the dumb masses.

The anti war movement appears to have died. It's harder to protest the actions of your own party,maybe? Or people are too busy, trying to keep bills paid, or they gave up, dangfino, but we Need a big anti war movement.

I don't know about Hillary - who else have the Dems really got?  Sanders can never win a general election.  Joe Biden is nearly 73 now, would be over 74 by election day in 2016 - getting long in the tooth to be starting a POTUS term.
John Kerry has a lot of baggage, especially if Congress turns down the Iran deal.
I know nothing about Webb.

I would normally tend to agree with you on something like this Jog. Everyone knew obamacare was gonna pass, but I think something's different about this one. It might be a little too dirty even for some politicians.

A couple of big names are actively campaigning against it. I think they are figuring out that once Obama's gone, they are the ones who will have to live with the consequences of it. He can blame anything that goes wrong on the current administration and keep cashing his speaking fee checks and set up office in the UN as Emperor.

I'm not convinced this 'treaty' is going to get thru. And my God, it shouldn't. If Obama's point is; if we don't sign this agreement, they'll build a bomb and a war might start; then why are we just saying FU to begin with? What the hell! We're the USA. We don't take $hit like that especially off of 3rd world $hitholes like Iran. (at least we didn't use to.... I'm afraid we do now with Hopey-change...God what a POS he is)

Mark, I would be happy to be wrong. Elated, more like it. I think my explanation of How I expect it to go is an effective
Window into my mind. I'm cynical and jaded and expect the least intelligent, least good for America to be Just what gets done.
I Really want you to be right.

At, ’this’ point.
(Long way to go, things can easily change)

I would say : Trump/Fiorina as the main ticket.

One has Balls, the other one Testosterone.

Ventura., Just like Frankin, BOTH, a TOTAL  JOKE !

Ventura, Promised, Promised, Promised,
then when he won, did Absolutely  NOTHING,
except for 'HIMSELF" !

Frankin, was a total Worthless POS long BEFORE, SNL.
(And even more after)
I Think even the Democrats and the Media, are, Embarrassed, to have him speak.
Before SNL, he would do, 'stand up' at, Dudly Rigs, here in Mpls.
When we (bunch of 20+ year olds) would drive to, 'The Cities', to go to D.R.'s, and saw his name on the Marquee, We went someplace else !@

He got elected by VERY, VERY, 'controversial', circumstances.
Which the very, 'staunchly', Demo Attorney General said,
'No Problem".